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Psycho Shower Linux Power

Jan 26, 2025
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On the eve of episode 600, we introduce our next challenge and explore the new wave of Linux phones.

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WEBVTT 00:00:11.591 --> 00:00:16.131 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.291 --> 00:00:16.911 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.211 --> 00:00:18.091 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.471 --> 00:00:23.551 Hello, gentlemen. We're coming up on the show today as we prepare physically, 00:00:24.011 --> 00:00:28.911 mentally, and emotionally for episode 600, we're going to introduce you to what 00:00:28.911 --> 00:00:33.231 might be our next challenge, if the boys can convince me in this episode, 00:00:33.431 --> 00:00:35.331 and there might be a way you can join, too. 00:00:35.711 --> 00:00:40.791 Then we're going to round it out with a killer pick, some great boosts, and a bunch more. 00:00:41.271 --> 00:00:44.031 It's a banger of an episode. Let's make this one really good so that way we 00:00:44.031 --> 00:00:47.691 can slack off for 600. And let's start by saying time appropriate greetings 00:00:47.691 --> 00:00:49.911 to that virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room. Hello. 00:00:50.431 --> 00:00:52.631 Hey, Chris. Hey, Wes. Hello, Wes. Hello, guys. 00:00:53.491 --> 00:00:56.471 Hello. Shout out out there to the quiet listening, too. 00:00:56.711 --> 00:01:00.271 I see our baller booster hybrid sarcasm up there and others getting ready for 00:01:00.271 --> 00:01:04.231 next week's episode. Just chilling in the quiet lounge. You're always welcome. Just grab Mumble. 00:01:05.011 --> 00:01:08.331 Join our servers. We have details at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash Mumble. 00:01:09.091 --> 00:01:11.171 Also, I want to say good morning to Tailscale. 00:01:12.191 --> 00:01:17.111 Tailscale.com slash unplugged. Go there, support the show, and get it for free 00:01:17.111 --> 00:01:20.331 for up to 100 devices and three users. 00:01:20.431 --> 00:01:24.311 Tailscale is the easiest way to connect devices and services to each other, 00:01:24.451 --> 00:01:28.331 wherever they are, secured by a mesh network protected by WireGuard. 00:01:29.111 --> 00:01:33.831 Yeah. This is the ultimate realization of what WireGuard is capable of. 00:01:33.911 --> 00:01:36.751 It's just secure. It's remote access to whatever you might have, 00:01:36.811 --> 00:01:41.271 your production systems, your databases, all on a mesh network, and it's really fast. 00:01:41.531 --> 00:01:45.591 It's intuitive to set up, but it's also very flexible. It's programmable. 00:01:45.751 --> 00:01:49.731 You have like a programmable private network for a business or for an individual. 00:01:49.991 --> 00:01:53.351 I started with my personal plan, 100 devices. I still use that. 00:01:53.451 --> 00:01:57.571 But now we've also expanded to have a JB business plan because there's so much 00:01:57.571 --> 00:01:59.551 we can use it for the back end of JB as well. 00:02:00.391 --> 00:02:04.931 And it makes all other VPNs seem really old. 00:02:05.091 --> 00:02:07.971 Like when I hear people are using like, no disrespect, but when they're using 00:02:07.971 --> 00:02:13.671 things like OpenVPN and other proprietary point-to-point VPNs, I feel bad for them. 00:02:13.731 --> 00:02:15.151 It doesn't have to be that painful. 00:02:15.351 --> 00:02:18.431 It doesn't have to be that way. Tailscale is so much better. 00:02:18.631 --> 00:02:22.671 Try it for free on 100 devices and up to three users and support the show. 00:02:23.251 --> 00:02:26.431 Right now, just go to tailscale.com slash unplugged. 00:02:29.457 --> 00:02:33.137 We're going to keep the housekeeping short this week because we've got a lot of news to dig into. 00:02:33.517 --> 00:02:40.037 But I do want to mention that we have a lot of details for LUP 600 meetup parties and whatnot. 00:02:40.357 --> 00:02:44.117 So be sure you stay tuned to After the News so that way we can cover all that 00:02:44.117 --> 00:02:48.617 because there's details and logistics and things like that that we don't want you to miss. 00:02:51.237 --> 00:02:54.077 but let's start with something that is a 00:02:54.077 --> 00:02:57.137 tantalizing idea a dream a passion of 00:02:57.137 --> 00:03:00.797 the linux community that seems to never die and 00:03:00.797 --> 00:03:04.057 that is a full linux smartphone it's 00:03:04.057 --> 00:03:07.117 called the librax and they're promising privacy security 00:03:07.117 --> 00:03:10.857 and freedom and this is landing the 00:03:10.857 --> 00:03:13.997 announcement at least right around the pine phone celebrate 00:03:13.997 --> 00:03:17.577 the original pine phone celebrating its fifth birthday so 00:03:17.577 --> 00:03:20.837 we got a handful of these devices out there boys you know this you know 00:03:20.837 --> 00:03:23.957 like you got the pine phones you got the libram 5 00:03:23.957 --> 00:03:27.057 right but i mean 00:03:27.057 --> 00:03:31.617 it's like you could count them on one hand how many true linux smartphone devices 00:03:31.617 --> 00:03:37.697 they are and the librix next is a new smartphone that uses librix os which is 00:03:37.697 --> 00:03:43.517 based on debian 13 huh and it's got some i don't know are you looking Look at 00:03:43.517 --> 00:03:45.357 the pictures there. I'm curious to know what you think of the design. 00:03:45.497 --> 00:03:50.177 It's got an interesting design. I wonder if you notice what kind of jumps out at the top of the phone. 00:03:50.317 --> 00:03:54.617 I did. Yeah. It doesn't look especially modern or sleek. No. But it doesn't look bad. 00:03:54.777 --> 00:03:54.917 No. 00:03:55.037 --> 00:03:56.137 Kind of like an older iPhone. 00:03:56.397 --> 00:03:58.757 I imagine these are pre-production designs as well. Right. 00:03:59.177 --> 00:04:05.677 But it's got all kinds of toggles on the top for Wi-Fi, for LTE probably, probably other things. 00:04:05.957 --> 00:04:08.677 Yeah. Mic and camera definitely on there. I saw Bluetooth on there. 00:04:09.477 --> 00:04:15.357 It's got a RK3588S SOC. So that's a pretty good check. 00:04:15.377 --> 00:04:15.857 Octa-core. 00:04:16.157 --> 00:04:23.277 Yep. 256 gigabytes of eMMC storage built in, then expandable with an SD card. 00:04:23.457 --> 00:04:31.677 It has a 6.34-inch OLED screen running at a nice 2400 by 1880 resolution with 00:04:31.677 --> 00:04:36.157 a fingerprint sensor on the back and Corning Gorilla Glass for the screen. 00:04:36.797 --> 00:04:46.917 And it has a removable, I'm going to say it again, a removable 5,300 amp hour 00:04:46.917 --> 00:04:51.177 battery, 32 megapixel rear camera, 13 megapixel front camera. 00:04:51.337 --> 00:04:55.537 It also has a legitimate LTE modem, they're saying. 00:04:56.517 --> 00:04:59.217 It's at least one that I think is considered pretty good. 00:04:59.317 --> 00:05:02.857 The Snapdragon X32, which supports 5G, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth, 00:05:03.277 --> 00:05:05.217 and the hardware switches. 00:05:05.217 --> 00:05:14.377 Brent, could this be, if it's true, if it's real, could this be a Brent phone? 00:05:14.797 --> 00:05:16.697 Well, I've been looking for a phone like this for... 00:05:18.108 --> 00:05:21.248 I was going to say five years, but I think it's been more like 10 years. 00:05:22.208 --> 00:05:29.048 I feel like many of us have, but nothing that's come out has been up to snuff. 00:05:29.248 --> 00:05:35.088 Now, this sounds very promising. It is, of course, a bunch of promises at this 00:05:35.088 --> 00:05:37.648 point. So we haven't seen any development devices. 00:05:38.448 --> 00:05:41.868 Nobody's gotten their hands on it. And it is a crowd funder. 00:05:41.988 --> 00:05:47.028 And I know you have a really good experience with how these go, right, Chris? 00:05:48.108 --> 00:05:53.868 So a lot of this makes me pause a little bit, although I got to say something 00:05:53.868 --> 00:05:56.568 in me is tinkling because, yeah, I would love a phone like this if it was. 00:05:56.888 --> 00:06:03.968 I'm usually typically fine with giving up a few popular features to lean a little 00:06:03.968 --> 00:06:05.848 closer to my ideals, as you guys know. 00:06:06.068 --> 00:06:10.488 So I would totally go this way. I would if this got into production. 00:06:12.088 --> 00:06:13.348 Yeah, you've got me hooked. 00:06:13.348 --> 00:06:17.688 I think the one question I have, okay, so you make a great point that you're 00:06:17.688 --> 00:06:22.308 willing to forego a lot of conveniences and sort of quality of life stuff. 00:06:22.468 --> 00:06:29.488 But my question is, isn't there still a set of Android or iOS apps that are 00:06:29.488 --> 00:06:31.468 almost at the essential layer? 00:06:31.968 --> 00:06:34.948 Maybe not. Maybe you can kind of not, but I'm just thinking like. 00:06:35.628 --> 00:06:36.128 Maps. 00:06:36.648 --> 00:06:39.548 Well, maps, or I don't know, there's, is there like a, you know, 00:06:39.648 --> 00:06:44.148 an app you need to register if you're like coming into another country, 00:06:44.328 --> 00:06:46.508 or instead of having to fill out a paper form, or? 00:06:46.828 --> 00:06:50.468 Boy, you're right. I have to go apps blunking like when I'm traveling quite a bit. 00:06:50.788 --> 00:06:55.508 Well, I did read on their website here that they're doing like an Android jail, 00:06:55.668 --> 00:06:57.548 so you can run some of these apps if you needed to. 00:06:57.828 --> 00:06:59.328 Okay, see, that would work. 00:06:59.768 --> 00:07:03.488 So, Wes, for you, I got a question. 00:07:03.848 --> 00:07:07.088 Imagine this thing, it kind of lives up to what they say here, 00:07:07.108 --> 00:07:10.288 right? We have to be kind of skeptical here at this point, but let's just go with this for a second. 00:07:11.088 --> 00:07:14.568 It's using Posh, I believe, that GNOME GTK stuff that Purism and others have 00:07:14.568 --> 00:07:16.128 worked on, the adaptive GTK. 00:07:16.948 --> 00:07:18.288 That stuff's in a pretty good place. 00:07:18.768 --> 00:07:20.308 It doesn't, you know, look bad, I don't think. 00:07:20.408 --> 00:07:21.368 Apps that you're going to be familiar with. 00:07:22.778 --> 00:07:25.578 An underlying OS you can tweak to your heart's content. You could run, 00:07:25.578 --> 00:07:27.858 you know, an Apache server on this thing if you wanted to. 00:07:28.978 --> 00:07:34.178 Battery life, though, four hours. Is that a deal breaker for you when it's removable? 00:07:35.078 --> 00:07:35.498 Huh. 00:07:36.598 --> 00:07:41.378 By the way, that's not their estimate. I'm just thinking, when you've got this 00:07:41.378 --> 00:07:48.478 RK3588SOC, and you've got a Snapdragon X32 modem, and you've got a Linux OS 00:07:48.478 --> 00:07:50.818 and a 6.34-inch OLED screen, 00:07:52.018 --> 00:07:55.438 all of those things are on the higher end of power use so i think we would have 00:07:55.438 --> 00:07:57.058 to and you know especially if you're on 5g. 00:07:57.058 --> 00:07:57.938 Right i. 00:07:57.938 --> 00:08:02.478 Think you'd have to set your expectations to kind of mid for battery life. 00:08:02.478 --> 00:08:06.278 Yeah i suppose uh i wonder if they were if they're gonna have good os level 00:08:06.278 --> 00:08:10.358 options for like battery saver mode or other sort of power profiles because 00:08:10.358 --> 00:08:14.238 you know if i could put it into like background mode for a lot of the day and 00:08:14.238 --> 00:08:17.258 just like hey every couple minutes wake up for notifications and otherwise kind 00:08:17.258 --> 00:08:19.478 of sleep yeah it doesn't need to be constantly. 00:08:19.478 --> 00:08:21.018 Receiving yeah Yeah, you're right. 00:08:21.618 --> 00:08:24.238 Especially if I can choose the granularity or switch the mode pretty easily. 00:08:24.238 --> 00:08:25.058 Pull every 10 minutes. 00:08:25.238 --> 00:08:25.378 Yeah. 00:08:25.638 --> 00:08:29.998 Not constantly. Stop it. That's a great point. That'd be a freaking great OS. 00:08:29.998 --> 00:08:31.658 It's just like so rare that I need to know. 00:08:31.998 --> 00:08:32.558 Right now. 00:08:32.698 --> 00:08:32.898 Yeah. 00:08:33.138 --> 00:08:33.618 Very true. 00:08:33.798 --> 00:08:41.838 Yeah. That's, yeah, I think the removable battery is such a nice return. 00:08:42.478 --> 00:08:45.238 Especially if you could get a couple of them. Keep some charge in your bag. 00:08:45.438 --> 00:08:47.698 Imagine a travel, like going back to your point about a travel day, 00:08:47.778 --> 00:08:50.618 like, yes, maybe You couldn't get some of the apps, but you could bring three 00:08:50.618 --> 00:08:51.478 of the batteries with you. 00:08:51.538 --> 00:08:55.518 And this could be your entire entertainment device, your media information, 00:08:55.778 --> 00:08:56.358 you know, like everything. 00:08:56.498 --> 00:08:59.818 And you could even install Jellyfin on this. 00:09:00.578 --> 00:09:03.378 You might feel better about, well, maybe not from iOS, but you might feel better 00:09:03.378 --> 00:09:06.578 about some of the security risks of traveling too if you're using a Linux-powered phone. 00:09:06.858 --> 00:09:08.018 Yeah, perhaps. 00:09:08.078 --> 00:09:12.078 Chris, you've had, you know, multiple devices in your life for a little while. 00:09:12.198 --> 00:09:14.138 You were doing the dual phone thing for a bit there. 00:09:14.698 --> 00:09:19.058 Do you see this being an option in that respect? Like having certain apps on 00:09:19.058 --> 00:09:24.378 the everyday, always on phone and having, I don't know, most of your private life on this guy. 00:09:26.126 --> 00:09:28.986 I was just sort of thinking that, right? Like, especially if you could keep, 00:09:29.106 --> 00:09:32.406 like, an older couple gen out Pixel that you just kind of have for, 00:09:32.486 --> 00:09:36.426 like, if you need it for one thing. Or maybe you take that one when you travel or. 00:09:37.606 --> 00:09:39.486 Yeah, like something that one can RDP to the other. 00:09:39.926 --> 00:09:42.626 I wouldn't need to bring it with me if I'm going over to my friend's house for the night, right? 00:09:42.766 --> 00:09:44.786 Yeah, it doesn't maybe have all your passwords, doesn't have all your notes, 00:09:44.906 --> 00:09:48.326 doesn't have all your pictures, all your history. Right. You know what I was 00:09:48.326 --> 00:09:49.726 thinking, actually, is. 00:09:49.866 --> 00:09:52.206 Especially because I already own several old Pixel phones, you know? 00:09:52.326 --> 00:09:54.966 Like, I wouldn't have to, like, get a new phone to be my second phone. 00:09:54.966 --> 00:10:01.826 I feel like I still haven't landed on the sweet spot for, I'm going to a relative's 00:10:01.826 --> 00:10:06.526 house, I'm going to a hotel, I'm going to an Airbnb, and I want to take USB-C 00:10:06.526 --> 00:10:08.866 to HDMI, and I want to put something up on the TV. 00:10:09.746 --> 00:10:13.586 And because I just, I had my 10-year anniversary with the wife a few weeks ago, 00:10:13.626 --> 00:10:15.786 and we went to a little Airbnb nearby. 00:10:16.386 --> 00:10:20.026 And I get in there, and of course, I didn't bring anything to take control of 00:10:20.026 --> 00:10:21.266 the TV. It didn't even cross my mind. 00:10:21.366 --> 00:10:21.926 Uh, yeah. 00:10:21.926 --> 00:10:28.346 And a little portable phone that maybe I had a C to HDMI adapter that I could, 00:10:28.346 --> 00:10:34.426 you know, run Cody on or a jellyfin front end would be really nice. 00:10:34.686 --> 00:10:39.126 And I've tried to kind of replicate this with the Fire Stick to not really much success. 00:10:40.086 --> 00:10:43.446 I don't know. I like that idea. Maybe the audience has a device out there that's 00:10:43.446 --> 00:10:45.526 already perfect for this that they could boost it and tell me about. 00:10:45.926 --> 00:10:49.566 But I could see the phone doing this, but this is probably going to be, 00:10:49.566 --> 00:10:52.246 you know, somewhere near a thousand dollars. 00:10:52.566 --> 00:10:55.106 There's got to be a cheaper way to accomplish what I'm looking to do. 00:10:55.206 --> 00:10:59.146 But if it was one of many things that provided for me, I could see getting this, 00:10:59.286 --> 00:11:01.986 even if it wasn't my daily driver phone. Potentially. 00:11:03.946 --> 00:11:09.286 crowdfunding is the red flag here we have to kind of see how this goes they 00:11:09.286 --> 00:11:14.466 haven't actually built anything as far as we know yet maybe prototypes we don't 00:11:14.466 --> 00:11:17.586 have any information on battery life or price we don't even really know when 00:11:17.586 --> 00:11:22.026 the crowds funders gonna fully kick off like they haven't even said that yet 00:11:22.026 --> 00:11:23.246 you can't even go crowdfunding. 00:11:23.246 --> 00:11:27.146 At this point you know i don't know if i've tried hdmi but the pixels and those 00:11:27.146 --> 00:11:33.986 usbc little docs that have you know uh usb and hdmi My own have been fairly well compatible. 00:11:34.226 --> 00:11:34.326 Yeah. 00:11:34.626 --> 00:11:38.166 So if you had the jellyfin client on your phone connected to your server, 00:11:38.446 --> 00:11:40.606 maybe we'll do it that way. I don't know if you want to. 00:11:40.686 --> 00:11:45.466 But you know, also in this space is the Mecca comet. Yeah. 00:11:46.624 --> 00:11:53.644 And this one is really out there where like this makes the Libre next seem reasonable 00:11:53.644 --> 00:11:58.124 and totally achievable because this is in a whole other level of what they're trying to do. 00:11:58.324 --> 00:12:04.244 It's a modular Linux handheld and it's extensible by slapping on different modules. 00:12:04.404 --> 00:12:08.244 We've seen these ideas over the past, but my goodness, if this isn't the most 00:12:08.244 --> 00:12:09.684 slick, elegant version. 00:12:10.124 --> 00:12:15.204 And the dang thing has two USB-A ports in the side of it, as well as a small Ethernet port. 00:12:15.204 --> 00:12:18.944 I don't know why, but suddenly I love the idea of a phone with a USB-A port. 00:12:19.084 --> 00:12:24.304 Heck yeah. And it has these ideas of modules that magnetically snap on and then 00:12:24.304 --> 00:12:26.124 interface with the device over USB. 00:12:26.364 --> 00:12:28.804 So they show up to the Linux OS as USB. 00:12:29.064 --> 00:12:32.484 And they demonstrated this actually functioning at CES. 00:12:32.664 --> 00:12:35.104 So it's kind of like what framework does, but just remove the connector. 00:12:35.264 --> 00:12:39.524 Yes. And so an example of this is you could, where you might have a keyboard, 00:12:39.524 --> 00:12:44.924 you could slap off the magnetic keyboard and slap on a controller pad for maybe 00:12:44.924 --> 00:12:49.704 a Game Boy emulator or maybe a data cable to connect to an external disk. 00:12:50.104 --> 00:12:54.524 They have right now a GPIO, I guess, accessory. You could call it a gamepad 00:12:54.524 --> 00:12:57.024 accessory and a keyboard accessory. 00:12:58.024 --> 00:13:01.604 But it's just general GPIO stuff. It's all USB, pretty basic, 00:13:01.724 --> 00:13:05.804 open source, how they make it work. So it's nothing really particularly secretive about it. 00:13:05.864 --> 00:13:09.984 Anybody could really probably wire up something. It is a Linux OS. 00:13:09.984 --> 00:13:13.244 They call it Mechanix OS. It's based on Debian. 00:13:13.584 --> 00:13:18.384 They say the perk to that is that there's, quote, 60,000 packages in the Debian 00:13:18.384 --> 00:13:19.744 repo that work out of the box. 00:13:20.784 --> 00:13:27.184 The Mechanix shell is built in Rust and supports GPU rendering on Wayland. 00:13:27.604 --> 00:13:28.204 Whoa. 00:13:29.024 --> 00:13:33.444 Yeah. Built with the tools you already know, and they list Chromium. 00:13:33.444 --> 00:13:41.004 They list Docker, Go, Cute, Rust, obviously, Node, and others. It is also... 00:13:42.972 --> 00:13:45.592 It's a, it's a Kickstarter. It's a crowdfund. It's a Kickstarter specifically. 00:13:45.592 --> 00:13:48.292 And it's in the pre-launch mode. It has not technically launched either. 00:13:49.652 --> 00:13:55.032 They seem to have prototypes because I watched coverage at CES of like a whole 00:13:55.032 --> 00:13:57.492 booth of them actually functioning and snapping pads on and whatnot. 00:13:57.572 --> 00:13:59.912 And they have now videos of that up on their website as well. 00:14:01.052 --> 00:14:02.912 So this one's way out there, boys. 00:14:03.552 --> 00:14:07.852 They seem busy. They've got a GitHub link and, you know, those repos are active. 00:14:08.372 --> 00:14:11.472 This might be better for what I'm thinking of. My kind of device, 00:14:11.652 --> 00:14:15.512 you know, a portable media server. because you could see snapping on a disc. 00:14:15.792 --> 00:14:20.612 Yeah, this opens it up to a whole other conception than a traditional phone. 00:14:20.912 --> 00:14:24.192 They do have some use cases here, Chris, that I think will bri you over too if you need. 00:14:24.692 --> 00:14:29.212 One of them called the Car Whisperer. You can add a CAN or ODB port to the common 00:14:29.212 --> 00:14:31.072 and start talking to your car or RB. 00:14:31.692 --> 00:14:32.052 Okay. 00:14:32.852 --> 00:14:35.632 The other one here they suggest is build your own tricorder. 00:14:37.272 --> 00:14:41.192 Well, I was thinking a portable recorder. You know, if you could have a little 00:14:41.192 --> 00:14:43.852 USB interface that you could snap on to this thing. 00:14:45.232 --> 00:14:49.052 Because again, it's just USB with power pins and whatnot. It's pretty straightforward. 00:14:49.872 --> 00:14:54.152 That could, you know, for events, with the recording, like Audacity running 00:14:54.152 --> 00:14:58.932 on the little screen, right? You just use, or Reaper even? 00:14:59.832 --> 00:15:04.532 You could even use Reaper because it's available on ARM. So this is way out there. 00:15:04.712 --> 00:15:10.352 I invite you guys to go to the show notes at linuxownplugged.com slash 599 and 00:15:10.352 --> 00:15:11.832 check out the link to this thing because- 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:18.420 It's the coolest implementation I've ever seen of this idea of this kind of like Lego kit phone. 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:22.660 It's not as modular as like the Motorola stuff we've seen in the past. 00:15:22.820 --> 00:15:25.740 It's just really that front end spot where a keyboard would go. 00:15:26.420 --> 00:15:29.640 There is a magnetic mount where things connect. 00:15:29.780 --> 00:15:32.440 And so you just can swap different stuff on there. And then it's got USB-C on 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.080 the bottom of the phone. It's got, I mean, in the versions they show on their 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.380 website, it's got USB-A on the side and an Ethernet port. 00:15:37.380 --> 00:15:40.600 It seems like you could sell some to just anyone who worked in like a data center 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.720 or support environment just with the, you know, USB-A and the Ethernet right 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.160 there on the side and having a nice keyboard, physical keyboard. 00:15:46.300 --> 00:15:50.680 Or like what about Amazon, right? So you buy these as a standard device and 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:55.700 then you build a custom snap-on module that's particular to the work case or something like that. 00:15:56.380 --> 00:16:00.400 I don't know, man. I could see it. Again, not sure I'm pricing. 00:16:00.620 --> 00:16:02.920 It's a crowdfunder. But these are really interesting ideas. 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:06.920 Notable, too, that I think that both of them are running on Debian. 00:16:07.580 --> 00:16:10.920 I would love to have you boost in and tell us if you're interested in devices 00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:14.580 like these still, or have you soured on the idea of a Linux device. 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.980 And are you willing to go far enough to actually put your money on the line 00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:21.580 and crowdfund one of these? 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.840 Boost in and tell us, because I'm really interested in the audience's temperature on this. 00:16:27.280 --> 00:16:30.260 Before we move on, just a couple of quick stories to wrap up on. 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:34.120 I thought it was noteworthy that the Linux Foundation has launched the supporters 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.600 of Chromium-based browsers. 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:40.100 Quote, the supporters of Chromium-based browsers will provide the neutral space 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:45.140 where industry leaders, academia, developers, and broader open-source communities 00:16:45.140 --> 00:16:48.540 can work together to support projects within the Chromium ecosystem. 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:55.180 We've seen some, I'd say, confusion or maybe some anger in some of the Linux 00:16:55.180 --> 00:16:58.780 and open-source community over this. I think, Brent, you had a take I kind of liked. 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.600 Well, I have heard a lot of people think, well, what's the deal with Firefox? 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.180 Like, why are we supporting Chromium-based stuff when we've had Firefox all along? 00:17:08.320 --> 00:17:11.660 And that's a good question to answer. I don't know who's going to answer it, 00:17:11.740 --> 00:17:13.100 but it seems like we need one. 00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:17.120 Well, the argument I've heard is, well, it has a foundation already. It's Mozilla. 00:17:18.241 --> 00:17:23.061 Well, I think I'd also, Brent, I think you said this, that, you know, 00:17:23.301 --> 00:17:28.881 the Linux Foundation in a way was sort of dealing with the solving for a future 00:17:28.881 --> 00:17:33.221 where maybe we don't have a Firefox or, you know, we need a healthy Chromium 00:17:33.221 --> 00:17:35.601 ecosystem because it's going to be here whether we like it or not. 00:17:35.761 --> 00:17:38.321 Yeah, but wouldn't the way to solve for that be to support Firefox more? 00:17:39.281 --> 00:17:41.661 Not if it's doomed. Then it's just a waste of money. 00:17:41.861 --> 00:17:43.041 Oh, my God, that's dark. 00:17:44.661 --> 00:17:46.541 I'm using Firefox right now to be clear. 00:17:46.541 --> 00:17:51.261 Am I the only one that just is cooking a little conspiracy bacon on this one? 00:17:51.961 --> 00:17:58.601 To me, this seems like a hedge that the Justice Department might go through 00:17:58.601 --> 00:18:01.901 with their threats of separating Chromie Ma from Google. 00:18:02.101 --> 00:18:05.621 And then they're positioning themselves to be ready for when that happens. 00:18:05.721 --> 00:18:08.881 That makes sense. I'm going to go with that bacon with you. 00:18:09.661 --> 00:18:13.461 Wow. That's rare for Brent. All right. Thank you. I like that. 00:18:13.541 --> 00:18:14.621 It wasn't even Canadian bacon. 00:18:14.721 --> 00:18:18.081 What do you think? You think it could be like them like laying the cards out 00:18:18.081 --> 00:18:21.461 or I guess maybe another metaphor would be like preparing the deck, the seats. 00:18:21.641 --> 00:18:25.081 Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know if that's the only reason or it's a direct 00:18:25.081 --> 00:18:29.001 response, but I think that and sort of a wider concerns around that, 00:18:29.161 --> 00:18:32.561 especially as we've seen, you know, more and more in Microsoft, 00:18:32.841 --> 00:18:37.881 you know, there's just like a lot of companies now tied to this code base and a lot of, uh, 00:18:39.481 --> 00:18:42.001 it's some extent the real economy that relies on it functioning. 00:18:43.441 --> 00:18:45.061 I think that probably plays a factor. Yeah. 00:18:45.301 --> 00:18:48.761 Short Dom in the live chat also points out Electron's a factor here. 00:18:48.921 --> 00:18:49.721 True, yeah. 00:18:50.041 --> 00:18:54.801 You know, even if Chrome never got separated out, like Electron's such a huge 00:18:54.801 --> 00:18:59.101 thing now, you'd want to have at least some, maybe they're hoping to get input 00:18:59.101 --> 00:19:01.521 or developer influence and build influence over time. 00:19:02.997 --> 00:19:03.777 I'd love to know. 00:19:03.997 --> 00:19:07.037 I do think, you know, I mean, the Linux Foundation, for all of its faults, 00:19:07.197 --> 00:19:10.657 it does seem to do a decent job of being able to, like, help coordinate and 00:19:10.657 --> 00:19:15.477 provide some funding and centralized, you know, dispatch or whatever for open 00:19:15.477 --> 00:19:16.437 source projects sometimes. 00:19:16.557 --> 00:19:19.117 I feel like I'm missing a wider play. 00:19:20.397 --> 00:19:23.877 Well, Chris, I see a big old Join Now button on their website here. 00:19:24.037 --> 00:19:26.197 Maybe we should do some inside reporting. 00:19:26.577 --> 00:19:31.457 Maybe the Unplugged show should become a supporter of Chromium-based browsers. 00:19:31.637 --> 00:19:34.797 What if we make our own browser? And you can just only go to the show pages. 00:19:37.017 --> 00:19:41.437 That'd be great. That'd be so good. And then I just wanted to wrap up as far 00:19:41.437 --> 00:19:45.857 as news goes with a shout out to Wine 10.0. 00:19:46.817 --> 00:19:50.517 Now with native Wayland support and better high DPI support. 00:19:50.677 --> 00:19:55.757 And I just think this is incredible because the Wine Project was started in 1993. 00:19:57.237 --> 00:20:00.097 They just keep going and going and going. 00:20:00.377 --> 00:20:02.697 And it is so respectable. 00:20:05.177 --> 00:20:09.397 2008 which we covered on this show i think every at least one of our shows wine 00:20:09.397 --> 00:20:13.837 reached 1.0 and that felt like such a huge deal you know and now here we are 00:20:13.837 --> 00:20:19.217 10.0 is out and i think this is also going to make one of my predictions about 00:20:19.217 --> 00:20:21.057 proton correct in linux unplugged but. 00:20:21.057 --> 00:20:25.277 We'll see we'll see it's also like maybe remind ourselves the the promise of 00:20:25.277 --> 00:20:29.137 what wine advertises that it can do seems kind of impossible in practice you 00:20:29.137 --> 00:20:32.037 know what i mean like oh yeah you could write a paper about how you could do 00:20:32.037 --> 00:20:35.817 that sure right but you're gonna keep up with the changes and make real world 00:20:35.817 --> 00:20:39.557 complicated applications work like a game turns out yeah. 00:20:42.934 --> 00:20:46.314 OnePassword.com slash unplugged. That's all lowercase. 00:20:46.454 --> 00:20:51.554 It's the number one password.com slash unplugged. Okay, I have a question for you. 00:20:51.894 --> 00:20:56.154 Do your end users always, and I mean always without exception, 00:20:56.394 --> 00:20:59.074 work on company-owned devices and IT-approved apps? 00:20:59.354 --> 00:21:03.514 I don't think so. I don't think it's possible. So I think the next natural question 00:21:03.514 --> 00:21:06.794 is, how do you keep your company's data safe when it's sitting in all those 00:21:06.794 --> 00:21:08.854 unmanaged apps and devices? 00:21:09.494 --> 00:21:13.974 Well, OnePassword has the answer to this question. It's extended access management. 00:21:14.514 --> 00:21:19.414 1Password extended access management. 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We've all had those situations 00:21:31.374 --> 00:21:35.014 where we've seen the passwords under the keyboard, we're stuck to the monitor, 00:21:35.014 --> 00:21:37.494 or somebody uses the same password everywhere. 00:21:37.594 --> 00:21:40.974 You think, God, if they just had a great password manager that would solve all of this. 00:21:41.374 --> 00:21:44.774 Well, 1Password's award-winning password manager is trusted by millions of users, 00:21:45.174 --> 00:21:46.994 150,000-plus businesses from 00:21:46.994 --> 00:21:50.514 IBM to Slack, and now they're doing more than just securing passwords. 00:21:50.774 --> 00:21:53.334 Now with extended access management, they're taking to the next level. 00:21:53.554 --> 00:21:59.154 Plus, 1Password is ISO 27001 certified, and they have regular third-party audits, 00:21:59.174 --> 00:22:01.054 and they have the largest bug bounty out there. 00:22:01.114 --> 00:22:03.914 They just exceed the standards set by everybody else. 00:22:04.334 --> 00:22:07.494 Secure every app and every identity, even the unmanaged ones. 00:22:07.494 --> 00:22:11.234 Go to 1password.com slash unplugged. That's all lowercase. 00:22:11.674 --> 00:22:17.654 Again, support the show, check it out, and try it out. It's 1password.com slash unplugged. 00:22:20.773 --> 00:22:27.433 All right, well, we are one week away as we record from LUP episode 600. 00:22:28.613 --> 00:22:33.793 And that includes all of the awesome looking meetups that the community have set up. 00:22:33.953 --> 00:22:37.373 Oh, yeah. I'm going to go to colonyevents.com right now. Let's go check them out. 00:22:37.573 --> 00:22:41.853 Okay, and something that became clear, and thank you to everyone pointing this 00:22:41.853 --> 00:22:46.993 out, recently we've been experimenting with an earlier live time by two hours. 00:22:48.473 --> 00:22:51.413 but we started doing that just because it it kind 00:22:51.413 --> 00:22:54.893 of was working a little better for a variety of boring reasons uh 00:22:54.893 --> 00:23:00.073 but we'd already planned and set up schedules for the lup 600 event with you 00:23:00.073 --> 00:23:02.893 know the expectations of the show would be at the time that it's been for years 00:23:02.893 --> 00:23:09.213 for years and years yeah uh so just to be clear lup 600 we will be live at the 00:23:09.213 --> 00:23:14.193 normal time which was which is 12 p.m pacific here in the pacific northwest 3 p.m. 00:23:14.193 --> 00:23:18.833 Eastern so that way you can join the mumbler room and listen along and pop in 00:23:18.833 --> 00:23:20.073 the on-air and give us a little shout. 00:23:20.673 --> 00:23:25.053 I would recommend showing up early so that way we can sort out mumble issues 00:23:25.053 --> 00:23:26.813 and audio issues, which we'll no doubt have. 00:23:28.753 --> 00:23:33.453 And then for the Pacific Northwest meetup, we're not having the meetup at the 00:23:33.453 --> 00:23:37.313 studio because we realized we couldn't really have a party and do the show at the same time. 00:23:37.373 --> 00:23:40.093 As awesome as that would be, if that were a thing that we could do, 00:23:40.293 --> 00:23:42.213 that would make for a horrible podcast. 00:23:42.833 --> 00:23:46.213 So what we're going to do is record the show, and then immediately after, 00:23:46.473 --> 00:23:49.713 we're going to head over to the point, which is really close to the studio. 00:23:49.833 --> 00:23:52.713 So we're just going to walk over afterwards about 3 p.m. 00:23:53.613 --> 00:23:56.653 at our local time. And we have all the details at colonyevents.com. 00:23:56.733 --> 00:24:00.513 But that also means we can accommodate more people since we're not having it 00:24:00.513 --> 00:24:02.653 at the studio. So more the merrier. 00:24:02.853 --> 00:24:07.333 Everybody is welcome to join us next week in person right here in the Pacific 00:24:07.333 --> 00:24:09.213 Northwest in Smoky Point. 00:24:09.633 --> 00:24:13.353 Come to the point at 3 p.m. All the details are at colonyevents.com. 00:24:13.693 --> 00:24:17.433 There's like a whole bunch of events on there now. It's really awesome to see. 00:24:17.913 --> 00:24:22.933 And ours for the details is just the one that's listed as the Pacific Northwest meetup. 00:24:23.353 --> 00:24:26.133 We'll put a link to it in the show notes as well. But all of them are listed 00:24:26.133 --> 00:24:27.333 over at colonyevents.com. 00:24:27.853 --> 00:24:31.013 There's a couple new meetups here I think I want to do a shout out to. 00:24:31.093 --> 00:24:34.873 There's a FOSDM meetup that popped up because FOSDM is happening at the exact 00:24:34.873 --> 00:24:36.773 same time. So I think that's pretty exciting. 00:24:37.553 --> 00:24:43.033 and also uh maybe this is more of a psa there's one in melbourne that's happening 00:24:43.033 --> 00:24:47.813 which is pretty awesome but it uh seems to be happening march 6th which i don't 00:24:47.813 --> 00:24:50.793 know my time math is pretty good but i think that's a little too late to join 00:24:50.793 --> 00:24:56.353 lup 600 so folks who are organizing the melbourne meetup maybe have a look uh 00:24:56.353 --> 00:24:57.433 make sure you're on the right day. 00:24:57.433 --> 00:25:02.493 Yeah although everybody is welcome to continue to use the colony events.com 00:25:02.493 --> 00:25:06.813 service to schedule meetups forever just if you want to meet up with other JB 00:25:06.813 --> 00:25:10.053 listeners in there and then you could always boost in or write us and have us 00:25:10.053 --> 00:25:11.753 give us a shout out so people know to go sign up. 00:25:11.873 --> 00:25:14.813 We are happy to do that. Every time we go to a meetup, 00:25:15.902 --> 00:25:20.702 Literally 100%. I'm not saying 99%, not 99.5. 00:25:21.582 --> 00:25:26.282 100% of the time we do meetups. The people there say, oh, we should do more 00:25:26.282 --> 00:25:28.562 of this. Even if the guys can't come, we should do more of this. 00:25:28.822 --> 00:25:35.142 And then we leave and sometimes they do it, but most of the time they just sort 00:25:35.142 --> 00:25:37.382 of drift apart because we don't leave them with any tooling. 00:25:37.482 --> 00:25:41.042 But if they said it and we gave them like, you know, here, go right here, go set up a meetup. 00:25:41.342 --> 00:25:45.902 I think it would actually continue to create some momentum. So I invite everybody 00:25:45.902 --> 00:25:48.822 out there, continue to use ColonyEvents.com after this as well, 00:25:49.042 --> 00:25:54.422 especially as we get close to LinuxFest and Scale and Planet Nix. 00:25:54.682 --> 00:25:57.322 If you want to make some plans around there, that could be really nice. 00:25:57.462 --> 00:26:00.462 People could just go there and see what's going on. What are people doing? 00:26:02.022 --> 00:26:06.882 I say take and run with it. And we're sorry if there's been any confusion around 00:26:06.882 --> 00:26:10.162 the timing in all of this, especially because for a bit we were thinking about 00:26:10.162 --> 00:26:13.762 having our meet up here at the studio. But now we've decided to have it at the 00:26:13.762 --> 00:26:16.622 pub nearby. Oh, and kids are welcome at our meetup. 00:26:16.742 --> 00:26:19.162 It is family. It is a family friendly venue as well. 00:26:21.162 --> 00:26:28.922 Okay, boys. You have been slowly trying to convince me that we should do a free 00:26:28.922 --> 00:26:30.162 BSD challenge on this show. 00:26:30.402 --> 00:26:31.162 That's right. 00:26:31.482 --> 00:26:37.422 And you've recently provided some documentation to indicate that now may be the time. 00:26:38.602 --> 00:26:44.202 So make your case. I will admit I'm on the fence. I think you two are a little bit more pro than I am. 00:26:45.722 --> 00:26:50.642 I don't know. I think my hesitation is, um, I have been down this path. 00:26:50.782 --> 00:26:52.182 I've run free BSD in production. 00:26:52.902 --> 00:26:55.902 You know, I've, I've tried it. It has been a bit, but I've tried it. 00:26:56.022 --> 00:26:59.662 So I feel like this is, this is like something I've done. And you guys are like, 00:26:59.722 --> 00:27:03.682 let's go do this. I'm like, yeah, okay, but I've tried that and it's all right. 00:27:03.782 --> 00:27:06.642 You know, it's all right. But that's one of the reasons I'm over here, 00:27:06.802 --> 00:27:07.822 you know, it's because I tried that. 00:27:08.522 --> 00:27:11.522 So you're saying prospector Chris has been there, done that. 00:27:11.742 --> 00:27:13.542 And, uh, Prosperster Chris Knows. 00:27:14.642 --> 00:27:16.542 Back in his day, he learned a few things. 00:27:16.822 --> 00:27:19.922 Well, I think you're a curious fellow, first of all. 00:27:20.062 --> 00:27:21.482 Oh, okay. 00:27:21.582 --> 00:27:27.702 And, you know, FreeBest, here, you love seeing community-driven open source. 00:27:28.022 --> 00:27:30.802 Coming in hot and hard. 00:27:31.022 --> 00:27:32.182 That is what FreeBest is. 00:27:33.442 --> 00:27:35.802 Immediately going for the soft spot. Immediately. 00:27:36.462 --> 00:27:42.002 And a lot of other people have seen that recently because 2024 was like a standout year, I think. 00:27:42.142 --> 00:27:45.982 in terms of, like, there's just been good investments and donations and improvements. 00:27:45.982 --> 00:27:46.422 For FreeBSD? 00:27:46.522 --> 00:27:46.802 Yeah. 00:27:46.982 --> 00:27:47.262 Oh. 00:27:47.542 --> 00:27:51.522 Following AMD and FreeBSD Foundation collaborations and the Sovereign Tech Fund 00:27:51.522 --> 00:27:52.522 making a big investment, 00:27:52.982 --> 00:27:59.942 the FreeBSD Foundation and Quantum Leap Research have announced a $750,000 USD 00:27:59.942 --> 00:28:03.782 commitment to improve laptop support. That's one news item, for instance. 00:28:03.942 --> 00:28:06.242 And specifically, it looks like AMD laptops. 00:28:06.402 --> 00:28:08.062 Dell, AMD, and Framework. 00:28:08.342 --> 00:28:09.602 Okay, okay, okay. 00:28:09.922 --> 00:28:10.982 So I think... 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.739 Okay, maybe we don't have to try it immediately. That's maybe a separate case. 00:28:14.859 --> 00:28:20.619 But just in general, I think there is more and more reason to think that a couple 00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:22.879 of years ago, FreeBSD take is outdated. 00:28:23.679 --> 00:28:26.919 And for that reason alone, we might want to make sure that we're current. 00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:30.079 I do think that's your best argument. Yeah, I do agree. 00:28:30.399 --> 00:28:34.099 They're also working on improving their audio stack and maybe creating a graphical 00:28:34.099 --> 00:28:35.559 installer. Those are big changes. 00:28:35.679 --> 00:28:36.479 They haven't done that yet. 00:28:36.959 --> 00:28:38.459 Well, I mean, it's just serverless. 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.599 I guess it could be fun to not have a graphic. That could be fun. 00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:45.759 Ghost BSD continues to be developed as well as like a, you know, desktop focus. 00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:50.199 That's what I was going to ask you is how much, like, is this, 00:28:50.239 --> 00:28:53.859 is this like, do we do free BSD because that's the big one or is, 00:28:53.919 --> 00:28:56.999 is ghost BSD the direction we should go because it's desktop focus and that 00:28:56.999 --> 00:28:57.839 could be a fun comparison? 00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:00.899 Yeah. Or maybe you could do a mix, you know, I think, you know, 00:29:00.979 --> 00:29:03.899 I think running maybe free BSD on a desktop or a server would be fine. 00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:07.119 And then you could do ghost BSD as the desktop component if you wanted to. 00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:08.719 That's an interesting idea. 00:29:08.719 --> 00:29:11.719 I think it's worth trying to make sure you use it in ways that will test the 00:29:11.719 --> 00:29:13.579 areas that are being developed and improvements. 00:29:13.939 --> 00:29:17.179 Okay. You know what? I think that's a good parameter is it has to be tried as 00:29:17.179 --> 00:29:18.459 a server and as a desktop. 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.499 Yeah. Try to get the full sense of how you would use it if you were maybe going 00:29:21.499 --> 00:29:23.499 to try to actually replace some Linux. 00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:26.059 That's fair. Okay. Huh. 00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:30.159 Plus, they're making a bunch of investments in their build system and security 00:29:30.159 --> 00:29:35.399 investments and doing audits, and they're working on zero-trust builds now. 00:29:36.019 --> 00:29:37.919 Hmm. Look at them go, huh? 00:29:37.919 --> 00:29:41.859 Also, reproducible builds, they've got efforts there. I think at one point, 00:29:41.939 --> 00:29:44.579 at least in 2024, they were talking about maybe integrating Rust. 00:29:44.659 --> 00:29:46.419 I don't know where that conversation went offhand. 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.479 It'd be interesting to see how ZFS is integrated now that they've had it for so long. 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.199 Right. Yeah, they've got very nice boot environment support that you can get 00:29:54.199 --> 00:29:55.779 going, so we should definitely play with that. 00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:59.819 And I have become a fan of the centralized config file. I mean, 00:29:59.879 --> 00:30:02.119 it used to be part of how FreeBSD worked, because a lot of that was just went 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.799 into one configuration file, which I really liked about FreeBSD back then. 00:30:07.748 --> 00:30:08.968 Brent, what are your thoughts? 00:30:09.388 --> 00:30:09.948 Oh, I'm in. 00:30:12.788 --> 00:30:19.068 Like I've been BSD curious. I don't know, maybe for even two years now. 00:30:19.188 --> 00:30:24.148 I mean, people have been suggesting it to us for quite a long time. Yes, we do listen to you. 00:30:24.368 --> 00:30:27.328 Don't worry. But also with all these new developments, it feels like, 00:30:27.488 --> 00:30:28.948 why wouldn't we give it a shot? 00:30:29.528 --> 00:30:33.288 Hmm. Okay. All right. So let's think about some parameters. 00:30:34.228 --> 00:30:38.868 Got to use it as a server. see what it's like to host something like a home 00:30:38.868 --> 00:30:40.248 lab thing or a production thing. 00:30:40.388 --> 00:30:40.508 Yeah. 00:30:40.968 --> 00:30:43.728 I gotta try it as a desktop on physical hardware? 00:30:44.048 --> 00:30:44.848 Ideally I guess. 00:30:45.008 --> 00:30:47.288 Maybe I'd kind of be I'd like to try both I suppose. 00:30:47.608 --> 00:30:47.708 Yeah. 00:30:48.728 --> 00:30:51.108 Okay. What do you think Brent? Is there anything any other things that? 00:30:51.348 --> 00:30:54.868 Well one question I have is how long is the challenge? 00:30:55.548 --> 00:30:56.768 Hmm. Hmm. 00:30:57.688 --> 00:30:59.308 How long did we do the 32 bit? 00:30:59.548 --> 00:31:00.028 I don't know. 00:31:00.088 --> 00:31:00.568 Was that a week? 00:31:00.688 --> 00:31:04.528 And I wonder should we delay it so the audience could participate like we shouldn't 00:31:04.528 --> 00:31:05.508 probably we shouldn't launch it. 00:31:05.508 --> 00:31:10.768 Yeah well and also we may want to ask if we have experienced FreeBSD folks. 00:31:10.768 --> 00:31:11.588 Yeah I. 00:31:11.588 --> 00:31:15.888 Bet they will have some like pointers to things we don't want to miss while trying to check it out. 00:31:15.888 --> 00:31:20.568 Right okay so those are the things that we're going to need to know is like 00:31:20.568 --> 00:31:23.048 yeah basically we're totally noobs to this again because it has been a long 00:31:23.048 --> 00:31:27.488 time so what should we know and what should we try and are you willing to take 00:31:27.488 --> 00:31:31.768 a challenge with us I guess boost in or go to linuxunplugged.com slash contact 00:31:31.768 --> 00:31:33.828 and let us know and I think 00:31:33.928 --> 00:31:37.428 if we get some good feedback maybe we just launch it in episode 600 next 00:31:37.428 --> 00:31:40.988 week and then 600 will be the week we launch it and maybe 00:31:40.988 --> 00:31:43.828 by then we figured out how long to run it i kind of think the 00:31:43.828 --> 00:31:46.688 nice thing about if we launched it'd be nice to just end it 00:31:46.688 --> 00:31:50.608 in 601 it doesn't give us a lot of time though we could 00:31:50.608 --> 00:31:53.668 do an update in 601 maybe maybe that's what we do maybe we 00:31:53.668 --> 00:31:57.028 run it for a couple of weeks and we do a midpoint check 00:31:57.028 --> 00:32:01.768 in 601 and a conclusion in 602 that could work yeah that gives us a couple of 00:32:01.768 --> 00:32:04.908 weeks to try both you know make sure we have enough time yeah both the server 00:32:04.908 --> 00:32:08.608 and the desktop stuff it is nice to see this development happening over there 00:32:08.608 --> 00:32:13.728 you know it's a really great project and it will be interesting to look back 00:32:13.728 --> 00:32:15.428 at it now with a nyx lens a bit more 00:32:15.848 --> 00:32:18.968 than i have in the past yeah nyx is available. 00:32:18.968 --> 00:32:19.768 On bsd right. 00:32:19.768 --> 00:32:20.828 I don't know, 00:32:21.909 --> 00:32:26.929 I don't think so. No, but what I'm saying is the previous times I tried FreeBSD, 00:32:27.149 --> 00:32:31.269 I was coming at it from like an Ubuntu user's perspective, which is totally fine. 00:32:31.409 --> 00:32:37.569 But I think there's more similarities in the way, you know, you configure Nix 00:32:37.569 --> 00:32:39.749 and FreeBSD than there would be with FreeBSD and Ubuntu. 00:32:40.409 --> 00:32:43.709 So there may be less of a culture shock this time. I don't know. 00:32:43.849 --> 00:32:46.169 I could be totally wrong, but that's my that's my suspicion. 00:32:46.489 --> 00:32:47.749 Why have you never tried it, Brent? 00:32:47.749 --> 00:32:53.989 Well, I remember poking around at GhostBSD and even Hello Systems when we did the 32-bit challenge, 00:32:53.989 --> 00:32:58.929 because those seemed to be some of the only ones that supported the very odd 00:32:58.929 --> 00:33:03.809 CPU that I had in the machine that was sort of dropped off in my front door. 00:33:04.649 --> 00:33:08.709 But I think mostly it's just because we've never done a challenge. 00:33:08.709 --> 00:33:11.209 I don't really have a better excuse than that, to be honest. 00:33:11.529 --> 00:33:14.109 Well, this will be great. So this will be your first time. I know you've must 00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:15.529 have run it before, Wes, right? Oh, yeah. 00:33:15.729 --> 00:33:18.069 I've had a couple of FreeBSD servers over the years. 00:33:18.269 --> 00:33:20.309 We've probably tried it once or twice on the show years ago. 00:33:20.309 --> 00:33:21.049 I think we must have, yeah. 00:33:21.829 --> 00:33:25.949 Okay. You got me with the I haven't used it in years thing. It has been a really, 00:33:26.149 --> 00:33:27.769 I mean, it's probably been pre-10. 00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:30.989 I think FreeBSD 9 was the last time I tried it. 00:33:31.089 --> 00:33:34.949 Yeah, I even, for a little tiny bit, I was renting a dedicated server. 00:33:35.089 --> 00:33:35.309 Really? 00:33:35.429 --> 00:33:37.469 From Hetzner and running FreeBSD on it. 00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:39.229 Just because you wanted to? 00:33:39.329 --> 00:33:44.109 Yeah, well, I was trying it. I dabbled with it before and I wanted to get like 00:33:44.109 --> 00:33:46.009 more of a sense for, you know, really running it. 00:33:46.229 --> 00:33:46.729 How did it work? 00:33:46.869 --> 00:33:51.089 Worked well. It had like, I think, four disks in it. So, you know, I had ZFS going. 00:33:51.889 --> 00:33:54.709 I did eventually replace it. I think ultimately at that time it was an Ubuntu 00:33:54.709 --> 00:33:57.669 box running LexD with a bunch of containers. 00:33:57.969 --> 00:34:02.149 All right. Well, Boosted and let us know if you're in on the FreeBSD Challenge 00:34:02.149 --> 00:34:05.669 and if you have any guidance for us as well, which we can incorporate. 00:34:05.889 --> 00:34:09.309 And then we'll officially kick it off next week. So you don't have to do anything 00:34:09.309 --> 00:34:12.129 yet because we're going to incorporate everybody's feedback, 00:34:12.549 --> 00:34:15.269 set all the final parameters next week, and then officially launch it. 00:34:15.409 --> 00:34:17.529 Well, we got to do it because we already got hybrid. Hybrid's in. 00:34:17.729 --> 00:34:18.129 All right. 00:34:18.269 --> 00:34:20.689 So, you know, if you want to be cool like hybrid, join us. 00:34:24.055 --> 00:34:28.615 Episode 600 is next week. Can you believe it? It feels like a milestone. 00:34:29.035 --> 00:34:32.315 It feels like a rare one. Not many podcasts get this far. And if you've been 00:34:32.315 --> 00:34:34.895 on the fence or been meaning to boost, this is your time. 00:34:35.055 --> 00:34:39.995 We'd love to hear from some first-time boosters and long-time boosters to celebrate episode 600. 00:34:40.355 --> 00:34:42.815 Maybe we'll even put it on the charts. Wouldn't that be pretty cool? 00:34:43.315 --> 00:34:46.435 Strike and Fountain tend to be the combo, the easiest to get started, 00:34:46.515 --> 00:34:48.915 the least amount of friction. That's why we link them in the show notes. 00:34:49.295 --> 00:34:53.315 But there's also things like Breeze. That's B-R-E-E-Z. It makes it pretty simple 00:34:53.315 --> 00:34:56.015 to get going. and you don't need to switch podcast apps. 00:34:56.195 --> 00:34:59.435 Of course, episode 600 is also a celebration of our members. 00:34:59.775 --> 00:35:04.915 Jupiter.party to support all the shows and linuxunplug.com slash membership 00:35:04.915 --> 00:35:07.315 to support this specific show and get the perks. 00:35:07.695 --> 00:35:10.475 We would love to hear from you next week. Let's have a blowout. 00:35:10.715 --> 00:35:14.335 Episode 600 is going to be a special milestone and we'd love to hear from you. 00:35:14.475 --> 00:35:17.795 And thank you to everyone for all your support. It's just incredible to be at 00:35:17.795 --> 00:35:21.315 $5.99 right now. It feels surreal and I can't wait for 600. 00:35:24.375 --> 00:35:27.775 Well, that said, we do have some pretty amazing boosts here, 00:35:27.855 --> 00:35:31.415 and we do have a baller of a baller in Eric the Red. 00:35:35.701 --> 00:35:41.481 Yes, Mr. Red writes with his 100,000 sats. Thank you for all the great shows. 00:35:41.641 --> 00:35:45.201 During the middle of the night, I started to think about how amazing open source software is. 00:35:45.921 --> 00:35:49.481 Someday, we'll learn to apply these same community-based efforts to things like 00:35:49.481 --> 00:35:51.961 energy and investing and be more prosperous. 00:35:52.341 --> 00:35:59.821 I hope so. I just updated two Nix OS machines that started on 2305 to 2411 with no issues. 00:36:00.581 --> 00:36:03.081 That is nice. Also, Jess did the same. 00:36:04.321 --> 00:36:06.301 I revived the dead Thaleo. 00:36:06.521 --> 00:36:07.321 Oh, right. 00:36:07.641 --> 00:36:08.281 Oh, nice. 00:36:08.461 --> 00:36:11.881 And went from 2305 to 2411. I had to change. 00:36:12.081 --> 00:36:15.481 I had to comment out like the, something in there I like about enabling sound. 00:36:15.641 --> 00:36:16.861 Like you just don't have to do that anymore. 00:36:16.961 --> 00:36:17.101 Yeah. 00:36:17.221 --> 00:36:20.101 And that was it. And then it was off to the races. It was really awesome. 00:36:20.721 --> 00:36:24.761 He says, Brent's comment on not distro hopping since adopting NixOS has been 00:36:24.761 --> 00:36:27.801 true with me as well. NixOS has been a great desktop operating system. 00:36:28.041 --> 00:36:29.681 Oh, glad it's working well for you. 00:36:29.861 --> 00:36:36.261 Yeah, I know. That's why that take that we covered, where it was like even experienced 00:36:36.261 --> 00:36:37.241 Linux users shouldn't use it 00:36:37.241 --> 00:36:40.561 on the desktop, just felt like it really missed it. It really missed it. 00:36:40.601 --> 00:36:42.481 Yeah, there are a lot of things that it got right. 00:36:42.721 --> 00:36:47.261 And you know what? I also, for many years, was very happy with Arch and Fedora 00:36:47.261 --> 00:36:48.521 and Ubuntu as my desktops. 00:36:49.561 --> 00:36:54.041 So it really just depends on what gear works for you. And thank you very much 00:36:54.041 --> 00:36:55.941 for being our baller user, Eric the Red. 00:36:56.041 --> 00:37:02.441 We really appreciate you. And you got in before we clicked over to 600. Thank you very much. 00:37:03.161 --> 00:37:07.281 Turd Ferguson boosts in with 88,222 cents. 00:37:09.901 --> 00:37:12.121 I was going to write a blog post 00:37:12.121 --> 00:37:16.201 about how Windows isn't ready for the desktop, but no one would read it. 00:37:16.701 --> 00:37:18.421 Oh, Bert. 00:37:18.481 --> 00:37:20.001 Coming in hot, Turd. Coming in hot. 00:37:21.861 --> 00:37:28.981 Well, our dear producer Jeff boosted in two boosts for a total of 28,888 Satoshis. 00:37:33.141 --> 00:37:36.341 He says, I find it hard to recommend any particular distro to people these days. 00:37:36.441 --> 00:37:39.601 It really depends on their backgrounds. Wait, Chris, it's your birthday. 00:37:40.081 --> 00:37:42.801 Happy birthday, Chris, he says in his second boost here. 00:37:43.421 --> 00:37:48.361 He says, I wish I could join live today, but I'm busy earning that fiat S coin. 00:37:48.501 --> 00:37:51.461 Have you heard of S coin? so I can buy more sats. 00:37:51.801 --> 00:37:56.621 There you go. You got to mine it somehow, right? Either directly or in the fiat mines. 00:37:57.021 --> 00:38:04.701 Thank you, producer Jeff. And I agree. Every distro is, it's like a personal 00:38:04.701 --> 00:38:08.061 recommendation based on their work and what they're doing, what their expectations 00:38:08.061 --> 00:38:11.101 are on a computer and how they're going to use it, right? It's a personal thing these days. 00:38:11.261 --> 00:38:15.201 I know it's weird to say that because Windows and macOS are supposed to be one size fits all. 00:38:15.481 --> 00:38:19.621 But I mean, right? People have preferred tool brands. So is it that surprising? 00:38:20.061 --> 00:38:24.601 Oh, you're right. There's so many different like electric drills and whatnot. 00:38:24.701 --> 00:38:26.241 That's a great perspective, Wes. 00:38:26.901 --> 00:38:30.741 Hybrid sarcasm comes in with 27,500 sats. 00:38:33.618 --> 00:38:36.578 Yeah, he is. Who's ready for LUP600? 00:38:36.798 --> 00:38:40.578 The Central Florida Orlando Listening Party has secured a location. 00:38:41.638 --> 00:38:42.598 Well done. 00:38:43.818 --> 00:38:48.898 All the deets are at colonyevents.com. Even Mike from Coda Radio has RSVP. 00:38:48.998 --> 00:38:49.438 Wow. 00:38:49.918 --> 00:38:52.478 Isn't that great? Isn't that? It's so great. 00:38:52.738 --> 00:38:54.638 I think hybrid has more pull than we do. 00:38:55.298 --> 00:38:56.618 Yeah, sounds like it. 00:38:57.598 --> 00:39:01.358 All you wanting the remote meetups to be able to join on Air Mumble via LUP600? 00:39:01.358 --> 00:39:03.738 Quick shout out to the check-in or something like that. 00:39:03.918 --> 00:39:06.858 Oh, he wants us to give one. Yeah, and Hybrid's trying it today too. 00:39:07.538 --> 00:39:11.498 So ideally, you go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash mumble. You get the mumble 00:39:11.498 --> 00:39:14.698 app installed. And then you get a microphone and you get headphones on. 00:39:15.758 --> 00:39:19.378 And you get in the quiet listening. Or there's like a joint queue actually. 00:39:19.578 --> 00:39:21.358 And we'll kind of go through and make sure your mic's working. 00:39:21.458 --> 00:39:22.138 And then we'll bring it in. 00:39:22.318 --> 00:39:26.138 So I think what you're saying, Chris, is for LUP600, we'd love to hear from 00:39:26.138 --> 00:39:30.558 a variety of the listening parties happening. Just a little quick report on 00:39:30.558 --> 00:39:32.338 what the scene looks like and who's that. 00:39:32.358 --> 00:39:36.878 Yeah, and in that case, you know, maybe it's a USB microphone and a pair of 00:39:36.878 --> 00:39:39.378 headphones if possible, and then, you know, people can come by and, 00:39:39.618 --> 00:39:41.498 or maybe headphones aren't possible. I don't know. 00:39:41.618 --> 00:39:45.338 But yeah, that would be perfect. We'll see how it goes. It's definitely an experiment. 00:39:46.078 --> 00:39:47.938 Thank you, hybrid. It's always great to hear from you. 00:39:48.398 --> 00:39:53.518 Why is Papa John boosted with 22,222 sets? 00:39:56.693 --> 00:40:01.713 Plus, one for the Tuxies, I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't vote in 2024. 00:40:02.373 --> 00:40:05.773 I was away from podcasts for a few months and I'm just getting caught up. 00:40:05.993 --> 00:40:08.753 The Tuxies finally convinced me to set up Image, though. 00:40:09.313 --> 00:40:13.753 What do you guys use for monitoring server stats like CPU and hard drive temps? 00:40:14.253 --> 00:40:19.553 Unraid has temps in its GUI, but I'd love to pipe that data into somewhere that I'll actually see it. 00:40:20.613 --> 00:40:24.353 Thanks for all the great work. I plan on messing around with CacheOS and maybe 00:40:24.353 --> 00:40:27.033 even a little bit of NixOS sometime soon. 00:40:27.253 --> 00:40:30.453 Oh, wise Papa John. We would love to hear your thoughts on that. 00:40:30.713 --> 00:40:33.733 And don't ever worry about falling behind and boosting on an old topic. 00:40:34.893 --> 00:40:39.033 A, it is good signal for us to know where the audience is at in the listening backlog. 00:40:39.593 --> 00:40:43.533 So when people boost from an old episode, it's good for us to know where people 00:40:43.533 --> 00:40:46.833 are at. Just from like a content release schedule so we know what our expectations are. 00:40:47.133 --> 00:40:50.893 But two, a good topic is always what we're talking about. So don't ever feel 00:40:50.893 --> 00:40:53.413 bad about coming in on something from a previous episode. 00:40:54.253 --> 00:40:58.113 And I would love to hear your thoughts if you do try Cashi or NixOS. 00:40:58.813 --> 00:41:03.793 The Tuxies I often hear have been how people like finally decide I'm going to go try that thing. 00:41:03.933 --> 00:41:07.673 So we are working on something and I'm liking what's cooking. 00:41:08.573 --> 00:41:12.293 We don't have a full recipe yet for next year's Tuxies, but if it does, 00:41:12.393 --> 00:41:15.833 if we pull it off, it's going to be different, but hopefully better at a whole 00:41:15.833 --> 00:41:17.173 new level. I think, right? 00:41:17.773 --> 00:41:19.653 Yeah, I think so. thank. 00:41:19.653 --> 00:41:20.293 You wise papa john. 00:41:20.293 --> 00:41:24.473 Also thank you papa john uh sent a second boost just to let me know that my 00:41:24.473 --> 00:41:29.053 split failed so just thank you for the info and uh sorry about that i will rejuggle 00:41:29.053 --> 00:41:35.333 some liquidity after i got a channel class i know i won't i'm motivated to fix that all. 00:41:35.333 --> 00:41:36.173 Right all right. 00:41:36.173 --> 00:41:43.053 Well distro stew was motivated sent in five boosts for a total of 20 301 sats, 00:41:45.572 --> 00:41:49.612 Per your year-end prediction about a major platform rolling out a declarative 00:41:49.612 --> 00:41:51.332 system, I think it's coming. 00:41:51.552 --> 00:41:54.612 I've been playing with some small but interesting projects around this. 00:41:54.692 --> 00:42:01.552 For example, there's a Metapack, there is also Deckman, and a ConfManager. 00:42:02.392 --> 00:42:05.192 All have different takes on the solution, but I like where they're going. 00:42:05.632 --> 00:42:09.232 So just checking out Metapack here, it looks like it's a declarative package 00:42:09.232 --> 00:42:13.072 manager, multi-back-end declarative package manager, hence the name. 00:42:13.072 --> 00:42:16.972 This allows you to maintain consistent packages across multiple machines, 00:42:16.972 --> 00:42:21.712 setting up a new system with preferred packages, with your preferred package managers. 00:42:22.172 --> 00:42:25.912 It makes it much easier. So it sounds almost like a meta package manager, 00:42:26.052 --> 00:42:27.192 which seems to make sense. 00:42:27.212 --> 00:42:31.272 I don't know if this quite qualifies, but I'm inclined to want it to, 00:42:31.432 --> 00:42:33.012 so I'm definitely going to look into it. 00:42:33.852 --> 00:42:37.892 It is active. It's been, yeah, there's people doing stuff around there, 00:42:37.952 --> 00:42:39.972 and it looks like it's been around for at least two years. 00:42:39.972 --> 00:42:43.892 And a quick follow-up to our previous boost because we totally forgot to actually 00:42:43.892 --> 00:42:46.372 answer what do we use to monitor things like. 00:42:46.372 --> 00:42:47.112 Cpu and. 00:42:47.112 --> 00:42:47.912 Hard drives and. 00:42:47.912 --> 00:42:51.272 Temperatures we did um well yeah net. 00:42:51.272 --> 00:42:55.752 Data for a long time uh although there's been some troubling developments there 00:42:55.752 --> 00:42:59.952 recently oh there you guys on self-hosted talked about a great little option 00:42:59.952 --> 00:43:01.532 that's relatively new with bezel right. 00:43:01.532 --> 00:43:04.352 Yep i would say the last episode and the 00:43:04.352 --> 00:43:07.652 episode before that really the episode before that we get into it and then we 00:43:07.652 --> 00:43:11.092 have a brief follow-up at the top of the most recent episode of self-hosted 00:43:11.092 --> 00:43:15.172 so the last two episodes kind of get into this topic uh net data is still probably 00:43:15.172 --> 00:43:22.692 my favorite but uh you know bizall is a little bit lighter a little bit more limited um but also, 00:43:23.292 --> 00:43:27.992 just totally free and open isn't trying to go for like a you know like a cloud monetization strategy. 00:43:27.992 --> 00:43:31.552 Depending on like retention needs and scale you know you can do like a cloud 00:43:31.552 --> 00:43:35.612 native thing with the prometheus agent and prometheus and grafana or something 00:43:35.612 --> 00:43:38.712 like that or influx db is is totally fine too. 00:43:38.712 --> 00:43:42.192 This is an area i would love to also take in input from the audience if there's 00:43:42.192 --> 00:43:45.372 other cool tools out there some real cool tools that do this that i don't know 00:43:45.372 --> 00:43:46.812 about that kind of do the net data thing. 00:43:47.676 --> 00:43:48.736 There's a lot of options. 00:43:48.876 --> 00:43:50.296 I know, but there's got to be some good ones. 00:43:50.376 --> 00:43:53.456 I am sure the audience has some killer picks in this area. 00:43:53.896 --> 00:43:58.956 Gene Bean comes in with a row of Nix. I don't get not touching your Nix config. 00:43:59.156 --> 00:44:03.856 I'm always using new tools and doing new stuff, and therefore I mess with my config a lot. 00:44:03.976 --> 00:44:08.016 Additionally, I keep most things in Nix because my system isn't reproducible otherwise. 00:44:08.196 --> 00:44:11.456 As a result, I forget to document something otherwise. Yeah, 00:44:11.516 --> 00:44:12.316 that's true. That's a good point. 00:44:12.756 --> 00:44:16.776 That is the nice self-documenting. If I set up VMI flag, I won't forget about 00:44:16.776 --> 00:44:23.236 it. You can check out github.com slash gene beans slash dots for my commit history, for example. 00:44:23.476 --> 00:44:25.776 That's cool, Gene. Thank you. I will check that out. 00:44:27.036 --> 00:44:31.196 Yeah, why have I not? I still have not checked my configs. 00:44:31.436 --> 00:44:34.656 Well, I think I was thinking about this because I saw the boost come in. 00:44:34.856 --> 00:44:38.376 And I think to some extent we were almost saying, you know, like Gene isn't 00:44:38.376 --> 00:44:40.656 running into the problems that some other folks are seemingly. 00:44:41.036 --> 00:44:45.236 So we were kind of addressing problems maybe that Gene isn't having to the same extent. 00:44:45.236 --> 00:44:48.996 And I do touch my config, but it's mostly like a creative in terms of adding 00:44:48.996 --> 00:44:54.076 a few packages or tweaking an option on, which felt maybe qualitatively different 00:44:54.076 --> 00:44:56.556 than what, like, the article we were talking about in terms of, 00:44:56.616 --> 00:44:58.836 like, struggling and fighting with their config. 00:44:59.196 --> 00:45:02.376 You know, like, actually, like, I'm debugging or something, which is very different 00:45:02.376 --> 00:45:03.536 than just, like, adding a package. 00:45:03.676 --> 00:45:06.516 I agree. Like, when I was getting the Thalia going again and I just, 00:45:06.696 --> 00:45:08.836 like, commented out the sound stuff, enable sound. 00:45:09.976 --> 00:45:13.716 Versus, like, writing a new helper function to set up config for multi-machine or something. 00:45:13.716 --> 00:45:16.876 But in the last episode, when we talked about when we last touched our configs, 00:45:16.936 --> 00:45:20.276 I was literally using the last modified date, which is December for me. 00:45:20.636 --> 00:45:25.256 And I just think I get to a point where a system is pretty set up. 00:45:25.316 --> 00:45:31.156 And then anything that I add, I either do via Nix shell just to try it out or a flat pack. 00:45:31.696 --> 00:45:35.476 Yeah. And you, uh, you are, you do use Nix shell. And I was going to say from 00:45:35.476 --> 00:45:39.896 seeing some of your Nix configs, I would say you have already accumulated a 00:45:39.896 --> 00:45:43.136 lot. Like you probably have 95% of the tools you're going to use at all. Yeah. 00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:48.330 Yeah, I really do. You know, that's the one thing about using it every day for so many years. 00:45:48.390 --> 00:45:52.050 You're going with like the six gig everything installed version of Ubuntu. 00:45:52.290 --> 00:45:53.990 It's minimal in my own way. 00:45:55.330 --> 00:46:00.530 But that's also been the promise of a Nix config was that the things you solved 00:46:00.530 --> 00:46:03.630 would just pay dividends in the future. 00:46:03.890 --> 00:46:10.190 So, yeah, you put a bunch of upfront time, but then it gets less and less and less as time moves on. 00:46:10.310 --> 00:46:13.570 And I've seen that at least to be true in my particular use case. 00:46:13.970 --> 00:46:17.410 Yeah. I wonder though, perhaps, I mean, I'm looking at Gene's setup here. 00:46:17.850 --> 00:46:22.050 You know, he, I mean, I think he's just learning. And as he learns, 00:46:22.270 --> 00:46:24.110 he's kind of refactoring and building it better. 00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:26.670 And so that's why he's touching it more frequently, where I've kind of just 00:46:26.670 --> 00:46:28.090 been like, ah, it's working. 00:46:28.270 --> 00:46:31.090 Yeah, that makes sense too. You can be kind of, there's different modes that you end up in. 00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:31.430 Yeah. 00:46:31.730 --> 00:46:33.170 And if you're actively developing. 00:46:33.710 --> 00:46:34.270 Thank you, Gene. 00:46:34.270 --> 00:46:38.110 I will say too, something that works okay for me is if I'm going to like make 00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.390 a trade-off between like I was going to try to manage the Nix, 00:46:40.490 --> 00:46:41.610 but right now I'm going to just not, 00:46:41.990 --> 00:46:45.590 is sometimes I'll just leave comments in my, somewhere in my Nix so that they're 00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:50.330 documented there of, hey, I'm managing this elsewhere. Right. Warning. 00:46:50.550 --> 00:46:51.250 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:46:51.350 --> 00:46:55.190 I caught my brother with his Nix config, like he was making a few changes and 00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:58.410 I was just looking over his shoulder and there's a bunch of to-do items in his 00:46:58.410 --> 00:47:00.210 Nix configs, like figure this out later. 00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:02.550 So I think that's a really nice approach too. 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:05.410 Shapira May. Huh? What do you guys think? 00:47:05.490 --> 00:47:05.750 Yeah! 00:47:07.170 --> 00:47:11.670 Shapira May boosts in with 4,321 sats. 00:47:13.130 --> 00:47:17.850 Hello! Talking about NixOS, have you guys checked out Replit.com? 00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:21.850 It's an online development platform that gives you a virtual machine with pre-installed 00:47:21.850 --> 00:47:26.350 Nix packages, depending on what language you want, and it's basically an in-browser IDE. 00:47:26.910 --> 00:47:30.890 Most of their codebase is MIT-licensed. I've been using it for some years now 00:47:30.890 --> 00:47:34.410 And it's a really nice way to dip your toes into Nix You know, 00:47:34.470 --> 00:47:38.690 I've tried it a little while ago I've used it a few times But I hadn't actually 00:47:38.690 --> 00:47:41.170 thought about using it with Nix That's great Yeah. 00:47:41.490 --> 00:47:47.350 Thank you for the tip I have to admit, slipped my purvey My purvey Okay. 00:47:47.430 --> 00:47:49.550 Here's a fun question Okay Follow-up boost All right, 00:47:50.238 --> 00:47:51.558 So about the old to-do list. 00:47:51.698 --> 00:47:51.818 Yeah. 00:47:52.038 --> 00:47:54.038 Do you ever have moments when you're in the shower? 00:47:54.358 --> 00:47:54.538 Yes. 00:47:54.658 --> 00:47:57.538 Some situation where you just like can't get to your phone or a notepad. 00:47:57.658 --> 00:47:57.838 Yes. 00:47:58.018 --> 00:48:01.738 And you remember something you have to do and an idea you really want to capture. 00:48:01.958 --> 00:48:02.178 Yes. 00:48:02.758 --> 00:48:06.718 Do you have a solution for that? Shower Linux, please. 00:48:08.298 --> 00:48:13.698 You know, I've thought about this so many times. So I do sometimes bring my 00:48:13.698 --> 00:48:18.458 phone into the shower now and I have kind of above the shower, I put a magnetic mount. 00:48:18.458 --> 00:48:22.838 and then I just slap the phone up there and it doesn't really get wet and then 00:48:22.838 --> 00:48:27.738 if I have to, I can document it and that's just because I've really lost some good ones. 00:48:28.038 --> 00:48:32.358 I've lost some real good idea babies and I do not want to lose any more idea babies. 00:48:32.778 --> 00:48:35.558 So I do that, but I have thought about the whiteboard thing. 00:48:35.658 --> 00:48:39.118 I know that's another route people go. Brent, how do you capture your best shower thoughts? 00:48:39.458 --> 00:48:43.458 Well, I would say the shower is definitely like my sacred think tank, 00:48:43.458 --> 00:48:48.658 but I've gone full psychopath mode and I got a permanent waterproof marker and 00:48:48.658 --> 00:48:49.798 I just write stuff on the walls. 00:48:49.958 --> 00:48:52.558 And so if you saw my washroom, it just is scary. 00:48:52.678 --> 00:48:53.858 Oh my God, are you serious? 00:48:54.038 --> 00:48:54.758 Will you take a picture. 00:48:54.858 --> 00:48:54.998 Please? 00:48:55.018 --> 00:48:57.338 No, I'm not serious. Oh my God, that's good. 00:48:57.498 --> 00:48:58.638 Brett. I love that visual. 00:48:58.898 --> 00:49:04.358 But I have certainly thought of it because like really if I'm in this like deep 00:49:04.358 --> 00:49:07.118 thinking mode, which happens for me all the time in the shower, 00:49:07.318 --> 00:49:09.618 I want the simplest solution possible. 00:49:09.698 --> 00:49:14.238 So even the fact of like picking up my phone and having to unlock it with wet 00:49:14.238 --> 00:49:18.578 hands and then finding the app and then creating a new note that is somehow 00:49:18.578 --> 00:49:22.338 categorized and then writing the thing is that's too much friction. 00:49:22.578 --> 00:49:25.918 So I would love something simple. I've heard of people having just like a, 00:49:25.918 --> 00:49:30.398 a stick on waterproof notepad that they can have in the shower, 00:49:30.518 --> 00:49:32.578 just like to temporarily document it there. 00:49:32.698 --> 00:49:35.598 And then once you've, I don't know, dry off, you can figure out where else to put it. 00:49:35.798 --> 00:49:39.218 Uh, but I would love to hear some solutions to this because yeah, 00:49:39.378 --> 00:49:44.158 they're all just vanishing thoughts unless I can somehow hold on to them, which never happens. 00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:48.569 It is a real shame. My other one is driving. 00:49:49.149 --> 00:49:52.829 Again, I don't have a great system for that. I can sometimes capture on the phone. 00:49:53.029 --> 00:49:53.509 Yeah, sometimes. 00:49:53.749 --> 00:49:55.509 Do you have a way to capture great shower thoughts? 00:49:56.089 --> 00:50:00.609 No, I've been thinking about this. And the car, I think the car one gets me more often. 00:50:00.929 --> 00:50:03.809 Yeah. I can imagine you're driving up to the studio. You've got like an hour. 00:50:04.029 --> 00:50:08.109 Somehow the shower, I have a little, it's like I can, if I'm willing to stop 00:50:08.109 --> 00:50:10.529 the thread, I can kind of keep the insight. 00:50:11.289 --> 00:50:16.969 Yeah. Yeah, I definitely have been like rushed the shower a little bit, 00:50:17.109 --> 00:50:20.409 finished up, and then like dried off quickly, got down and just wrote it down 00:50:20.409 --> 00:50:23.329 and then got back to finishing up to, you know, the whole shower routine. 00:50:23.729 --> 00:50:26.869 Too much information, but I would love to know how people are capturing that. 00:50:28.229 --> 00:50:31.269 I'm taking a lot of different sacrifices. Nothing's working. 00:50:31.469 --> 00:50:33.849 Can you do like whiteboard paint on your shower wall? 00:50:34.249 --> 00:50:37.329 I like that. Brett was thinking permanent marker, which I think I would have a good idea. 00:50:37.669 --> 00:50:40.269 But I also don't want it to be permanent, so I don't know. 00:50:42.029 --> 00:50:47.329 Somewhat Justin came in with 4,000 and 4sats. It says he just wanted to say, 00:50:47.849 --> 00:50:49.349 thank you for your mention of Bazite. 00:50:49.469 --> 00:50:53.549 I picked up an Asus RIG Raleigh. Oh, that's the machine my son has. 00:50:53.869 --> 00:50:56.709 On sale, and thanks to the show, I already knew I needed some Linux, 00:50:56.849 --> 00:51:00.349 and Bazite was a great option. What a perfect match for that laptop. 00:51:00.549 --> 00:51:00.789 Nice. 00:51:01.029 --> 00:51:04.569 Those things are really meant for gaming. Good call. The install was fairly 00:51:04.569 --> 00:51:06.649 easy, according to the benchmarks. 00:51:06.809 --> 00:51:09.209 It seems to perform better than the default OS, which was Windows. 00:51:09.409 --> 00:51:09.889 That's great. 00:51:10.089 --> 00:51:10.469 I'm not surprised. 00:51:10.469 --> 00:51:14.069 These handhelds are so fun, excited for the coverage of SteamOS. 00:51:14.249 --> 00:51:16.029 Oh, man, I'm so excited to see where SteamOS goes, too. 00:51:16.469 --> 00:51:19.009 When it starts getting distributed, which they've kind of been hinting at, 00:51:19.129 --> 00:51:20.529 we're going to be all over that. 00:51:20.789 --> 00:51:22.129 Maybe we could use it to run a server. 00:51:22.989 --> 00:51:24.329 Of course we're going to try. 00:51:25.269 --> 00:51:28.909 Wham Geek boosts in with 6,444 sets. 00:51:33.643 --> 00:51:37.783 Hey guys, when I hear tuxies, I always think of the Oscars. 00:51:38.003 --> 00:51:43.923 So I'd like to suggest aligning the annual tuxies to occur on the same day as the Oscars. 00:51:44.363 --> 00:51:46.063 Put our tuxes on and everything? 00:51:46.403 --> 00:51:47.803 Like we don't already. 00:51:48.003 --> 00:51:53.163 Right. This moves them maybe away from the holiday season, but it keeps it a 00:51:53.163 --> 00:51:55.323 night of celebration and fanfare. 00:51:55.883 --> 00:51:59.323 Pairing the two adds a layer of fun spotlighting open source achievements alongside, 00:51:59.363 --> 00:52:03.903 you know, mainstream culture. Plus it taps into the shared excitement of awards season. 00:52:04.143 --> 00:52:09.823 You know, the only flaw here is it actually almost be kind of fun in a way to 00:52:09.823 --> 00:52:12.563 do it the old way one last time. 00:52:13.803 --> 00:52:15.883 Because the Oscars are on March 2nd. 00:52:16.263 --> 00:52:16.583 Oh. 00:52:19.243 --> 00:52:23.463 Yeah. But if we could get, because all we'd have to do, I wonder, 00:52:23.603 --> 00:52:26.883 could we rejigger the survey a little bit and just do it one last time for fun? 00:52:27.523 --> 00:52:28.843 Now I almost want to do it. 00:52:28.843 --> 00:52:29.863 Isn't that weird? What's the cost? 00:52:29.863 --> 00:52:33.723 What is wrong with me? I want to kill it, and then now I want to do it again. 00:52:34.143 --> 00:52:35.403 Well, because the stakes are different. 00:52:35.803 --> 00:52:39.483 You're right. You're right. I'd almost be willing to do it if people are interested. 00:52:40.523 --> 00:52:43.483 Just ironically, almost. Like the spring tuxies. 00:52:43.643 --> 00:52:45.303 We'll boost in for $600 a week. 00:52:45.523 --> 00:52:47.023 Yeah, we'll figure it out. Let us know if you're interested, 00:52:47.143 --> 00:52:50.783 because otherwise maybe I'm just being a jackass. It really is a stupid idea. 00:52:51.603 --> 00:52:56.403 But it is, right? It's the dumbest idea I've had in weeks, isn't it? Don't you think? 00:52:56.643 --> 00:52:58.383 I think it is. I have to go check the notes. 00:52:58.383 --> 00:53:00.223 You've had a lot of ideas this week. 00:53:01.223 --> 00:53:03.323 Both of you. Boy, I've had a bad week apparently. 00:53:06.323 --> 00:53:09.843 Amazing. Amazing. Outing me right now on this show. 00:53:10.423 --> 00:53:13.463 Thank you, everybody, who boosted in. We really appreciate it. 00:53:13.563 --> 00:53:15.543 Also, thank you, everybody, who streamed sats as you listen. 00:53:16.003 --> 00:53:22.583 38 of you streamed those sats. And collectively, y'all stacked 56,449 sats. 00:53:22.903 --> 00:53:26.963 And then when you combine that with our boosters, we had 47 people participate 00:53:26.963 --> 00:53:29.803 in the value for value process for episode 599. 00:53:30.403 --> 00:53:38.203 And collectively, we stacked 363,195 sats for the show. Thank you, everybody, very much. 00:53:42.903 --> 00:53:46.883 We have links to Strike and Fountain. Fountain is a new podcast app. 00:53:46.923 --> 00:53:48.423 You can also listen to our live stream. 00:53:48.543 --> 00:53:51.723 You can see our pending episodes in there. And there's more features coming 00:53:51.723 --> 00:53:55.823 to the show soon that'll be available to podcasting 2.0 apps. 00:53:55.963 --> 00:53:59.143 So there'll be even more reasons to listen to Linux Unplugged in a new podcast app. 00:54:00.003 --> 00:54:02.983 Newpodcastapps.com for all of them. And thank you everybody, 00:54:03.223 --> 00:54:06.163 including our members who supported episode 599. 00:54:16.050 --> 00:54:20.230 All right. So for our pick segment this week, we have two picks. 00:54:20.490 --> 00:54:24.010 We've been really just coming in with the picks hot and heavy recently. 00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:26.010 There's just so many good apps. 00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:29.370 It's mostly a pick-based show, and then we do some other segments on the side. 00:54:29.530 --> 00:54:32.570 I think if anybody skips this, they're missing out, especially the last few 00:54:32.570 --> 00:54:36.590 weeks. And I think one of you found Olive Tin this week. 00:54:36.690 --> 00:54:38.590 No, no. It came from a booster last week. 00:54:38.730 --> 00:54:42.590 Oh, oh, oh, oh. Right. And we wanted to make sure we kind of brought it forward again. 00:54:42.670 --> 00:54:47.350 So Olive Tin is a safe and simple access to predefined shell commands from a 00:54:47.350 --> 00:54:52.610 web interface and so picture a interface that would work with big buttons on 00:54:52.610 --> 00:54:57.090 a mobile device or on your desktop and you have just things like ping the internet 00:54:57.090 --> 00:55:02.570 or check d message logs delete old backups restart a docker container just buttons to do stuff. 00:55:02.570 --> 00:55:04.850 You combine that with a mesh network and bam. 00:55:04.850 --> 00:55:09.530 Yeah or um you know i could see on my tablets there could be like a little like 00:55:09.530 --> 00:55:13.990 hey wife i need you to take care of stuff screen and it brings this up and there's 00:55:13.990 --> 00:55:16.950 buttons where she hits a button and it restarts the server channel you know 00:55:16.950 --> 00:55:18.750 i like that i could just be. 00:55:18.750 --> 00:55:20.270 Paired with your stream deck for instance. 00:55:20.270 --> 00:55:24.350 Could totes you could totes probably do that hmm i 00:55:24.350 --> 00:55:27.090 would like physical buttons so that could be kind of nice all right 00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:30.770 and then this next pick is open tv and 00:55:30.770 --> 00:55:33.890 i have really been enjoying ersatz 00:55:33.890 --> 00:55:37.770 tv which lets me have a television network 00:55:37.770 --> 00:55:40.710 inside my home you create custom 00:55:40.710 --> 00:55:43.930 live channels using your own local media and they 00:55:43.930 --> 00:55:46.650 show up as iptv streams and you 00:55:46.650 --> 00:55:49.590 can have different iptv players that can pull in like 00:55:49.590 --> 00:55:54.890 the scheduling data ersatz also generates scheduling data so i can see when 00:55:54.890 --> 00:55:59.090 seinfeld's playing and star trek the next generation and roseanne and i've got 00:55:59.090 --> 00:56:03.470 the 1980s battle star galactica on there because it's just great and retro like 00:56:03.470 --> 00:56:07.410 it's it is like having your own cable TV network inside your own home. 00:56:07.510 --> 00:56:11.490 We've talked about it before and we haven't really mentioned a great way. 00:56:12.392 --> 00:56:14.512 to enjoy this on your desktop. 00:56:14.832 --> 00:56:17.492 I don't want to have to set up Jellyfin just to enjoy. 00:56:17.732 --> 00:56:22.372 That is, yeah. Or like maybe you could tune VLC into one of the particular streams if you're a maniac. 00:56:23.792 --> 00:56:28.152 OpenTV has been recently rewritten, and they're also making a plea for contributions 00:56:28.152 --> 00:56:30.152 via GitHub, Patreon, PayPal, or Crypto. 00:56:30.872 --> 00:56:35.512 But it is a desktop app that runs on the various desktop operating systems that 00:56:35.512 --> 00:56:38.072 gives you a front end to any IPTV system. 00:56:38.412 --> 00:56:41.072 It doesn't have to be URSATS TV, but that's what I'm using it for. 00:56:41.072 --> 00:56:42.712 Yeah, this looks pretty sleek. 00:56:42.932 --> 00:56:49.752 And it is a DVR as well. So it'll import the M3U file and the metadata for the playlist. 00:56:49.952 --> 00:56:53.232 It'll record while you're watching. It can record multiple streams at once. 00:56:53.712 --> 00:56:59.032 They have crazy optimize it for super low RAM usage with really fast UI. 00:56:59.572 --> 00:57:03.932 Okay, well, now I want to try this for me to like record my favorite hits from your ersatz stream. 00:57:04.032 --> 00:57:10.292 Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's also a surprising amount of public IPTV streams. 00:57:10.292 --> 00:57:11.192 Yeah, that's true. 00:57:11.432 --> 00:57:15.712 Especially like Europe news. Like there's a lot of European news stations that 00:57:15.712 --> 00:57:18.052 just make an IPTV stream of their station. 00:57:18.932 --> 00:57:21.292 There's not as many in the States, but there are a couple. 00:57:23.472 --> 00:57:26.272 And there's a couple of public broadcast stations that do it as well. 00:57:26.312 --> 00:57:28.472 So you don't even have to have any service in particular. 00:57:29.112 --> 00:57:32.972 But if you have AirSats TV and you want something to watch it and DVR on your 00:57:32.972 --> 00:57:36.352 desktop, you can use OpenTV to sit in front of that. 00:57:36.352 --> 00:57:41.372 And it's just a really nice app that just plugs in to that whole ecosystem, 00:57:41.372 --> 00:57:46.692 the M3U file, the XML playlist, as well as then also the back-end recording. 00:57:46.852 --> 00:57:49.112 And then they've optimized it to be super fast and responsive. 00:57:49.412 --> 00:57:55.152 So it's open-tv, and we'll have links in the show notes over at linuxunplugged.com slash 599. 00:57:55.212 --> 00:57:58.572 While we're here, license check. What are our pick licenses today? 00:57:58.972 --> 00:58:02.372 Oh, you're right. Thank you. I've been, you know what? I've been really trying to. 00:58:02.372 --> 00:58:04.152 We've been hit or miss, but we're trying. 00:58:04.232 --> 00:58:07.592 I've been trying to add them to the notes. I did not add them to the notes this week. 00:58:07.772 --> 00:58:13.132 Well, I can report on Olivetan here. It looks like we've got a, Olivetan is AGPL 3.0. 00:58:13.592 --> 00:58:18.312 Very, very nice. And Open TV is GPL 2. 00:58:18.812 --> 00:58:24.472 So we got some very, very fussy picks for you this week. Very nice. Thank you, Wes. 00:58:24.972 --> 00:58:28.432 I should have noted that in the notes. I need to have like a checklist of picks now. 00:58:28.672 --> 00:58:29.832 Yeah, maybe we should add it to the template. 00:58:30.052 --> 00:58:31.912 Yeah, that is a great idea. 00:58:31.952 --> 00:58:32.172 I'll do that. 00:58:32.512 --> 00:58:35.552 Well, it looks like your ersatz TV here is a license. I'm not sure about. 00:58:35.752 --> 00:58:37.532 Zlib license? Have you heard of this one before? 00:58:38.152 --> 00:58:39.492 Better check the FSF list. 00:58:39.612 --> 00:58:42.392 I mean, I know Zlib. I like Zlib a lot. 00:58:43.358 --> 00:58:46.298 It's extremely simple. It's four paragraphs, not even. 00:58:46.498 --> 00:58:46.758 Really? 00:58:47.138 --> 00:58:50.018 Yeah, worth looking at. I don't know if this applies, but. 00:58:51.418 --> 00:58:53.498 I don't know if the SFF would approve. 00:58:53.878 --> 00:58:55.238 Yeah, see, this is paying dividends already. 00:58:56.418 --> 00:59:02.018 Remember, we want to hear your thoughts on if you would be willing to crowdfund 00:59:02.018 --> 00:59:05.278 either the Mecha Comet or the Librex Nex. 00:59:06.058 --> 00:59:11.018 Have you been sufficiently burned? Or is the dream of a Linux phone still alive 00:59:11.018 --> 00:59:13.398 in your heart? I genuinely would like to know. 00:59:13.698 --> 00:59:16.878 And then ultimately, we need your guidance on the FreeBSD challenge. 00:59:17.038 --> 00:59:18.138 Are you willing to participate? 00:59:19.578 --> 00:59:23.298 What requirements or rules should we follow that we haven't mentioned in the show already? 00:59:24.318 --> 00:59:28.278 And any kind of notes or details that we should know as Linux guys that are 00:59:28.278 --> 00:59:30.598 going to be using FreeBSD for the first time in a long time, 00:59:30.678 --> 00:59:32.358 or in Brent's case, the very first time. 00:59:32.958 --> 00:59:36.778 I feel like that's a big thing to bite off. So please let us know. 00:59:36.878 --> 00:59:39.358 And episode 600 would be a great episode to bring all that in. 00:59:39.358 --> 00:59:43.598 So we'll try to collate all of that and have it for you and review it before the next episode. 00:59:47.618 --> 00:59:51.038 Technically, we're going back to the original time, noon Pacific, 3 p.m. 00:59:51.318 --> 00:59:53.798 Eastern. So we'll be live at our regular time. And of course, 00:59:53.838 --> 00:59:56.938 if you're in a podcasting 2.0 app, it'll be in your stream. 00:59:57.918 --> 01:00:00.858 And well before the show starts, we always open up Mumble. 01:00:01.018 --> 01:00:04.358 We'll help you troubleshoot your audio issues, you know, making sure everything's 01:00:04.358 --> 01:00:06.498 working and you get to listen in on the stream too. 01:00:06.498 --> 01:00:09.638 Plus, I don't know, you know, maybe you can't make every live stream. 01:00:09.778 --> 01:00:11.838 I bet 600 is going to be especially fun. 01:00:12.078 --> 01:00:15.058 Yeah. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode. 01:00:15.738 --> 01:00:19.058 Even if it's not 600, we still had a good time. We hope you did too. 01:00:19.298 --> 01:00:22.458 And of course, links to what we talked about there at slash 599. 01:00:22.858 --> 01:00:26.858 Thank you so much. And we'll see you right back here next Tuesday as in Sunday. 01:01:09.258 --> 01:01:12.998 Whoa! Some breaking news. That was a news eagle. 01:01:13.558 --> 01:01:16.718 Yeah, this month Deepin25 came out, which is a distro. 01:01:16.758 --> 01:01:22.358 We don't really follow that closely, but they are implementing some big steps 01:01:22.358 --> 01:01:24.958 towards immutability powered by OS3. 01:01:25.098 --> 01:01:25.398 No! 01:01:25.538 --> 01:01:27.298 And in their own system, they're calling Solid. 01:01:27.718 --> 01:01:28.718 Deepin's going immutable? 01:01:28.858 --> 01:01:29.638 Yeah, and Atomic. 01:01:30.038 --> 01:01:31.638 I gotta look this up. Where is this? 01:01:32.138 --> 01:01:36.998 It's in the release notes for 25. But yeah, they're mounting the core directories 01:01:36.998 --> 01:01:39.238 read only. This is powered by OS tree. 01:01:39.418 --> 01:01:43.098 And then they're doing the like, you know, atomic style reboot into the new system approach. 01:01:43.518 --> 01:01:46.918 I don't know if it's like for everything, but they're at least starting to adopt it. 01:01:47.478 --> 01:01:51.558 The solid, the deep and immutable system focuses on the stability and security of the system. 01:01:51.698 --> 01:01:56.018 It provides users with a stable, reliable, and easy to maintain experience through 01:01:56.018 --> 01:01:59.318 the technology such as read-only protection, atomic updates, 01:01:59.458 --> 01:02:00.998 and snapshot management. 01:02:01.238 --> 01:02:03.578 Yeah. And it's also got the like, you know, if it fails to boot, 01:02:03.658 --> 01:02:08.618 it'll automatically roll back to the previous version. It's happening folks It's happening. 01:02:08.618 --> 01:02:11.218 I mean it's just a better way to compute Come on.
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