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Everyone, Everywhere, All at Once

Feb 2, 2025
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We celebrate 600 episodes, announce a new show feature, and officially launch the FreeBSD challenge.

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WEBVTT 00:00:38.692 --> 00:00:43.432 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:43.592 --> 00:00:44.292 My name is Wes. 00:00:44.512 --> 00:00:45.212 And my name is Brent. 00:00:45.312 --> 00:00:49.312 Hello, gentlemen, and welcome to episode 600. 00:00:51.072 --> 00:00:55.352 Coming up on the show, we are indeed celebrating the big milestone. 00:00:55.892 --> 00:01:00.252 We have a little state of the show. We have a little show announcement to make. 00:01:00.672 --> 00:01:04.972 And we have multiple meetups going on all around the world. 00:01:05.292 --> 00:01:11.172 We'll check in with them. And then we'll top it off like a fine dessert with 00:01:11.172 --> 00:01:13.572 the launch of the free BSD challenge. 00:01:13.912 --> 00:01:21.012 Somehow, in 600 episodes of this podcast, we have never managed to do a free 00:01:21.012 --> 00:01:24.292 BSD challenge. So that's coming up and much more. 00:01:24.432 --> 00:01:29.832 So before we get into all of that, let's give a shout out to all the individuals 00:01:29.832 --> 00:01:32.032 that have joined us in the virtual lug today. 00:01:32.132 --> 00:01:34.592 Time appropriate. Greetings, mumble room. Hello. Hello. 00:01:35.052 --> 00:01:35.872 Hello. Hello. 00:01:42.332 --> 00:01:44.472 I think we're outnumbered today, boys. 00:01:44.752 --> 00:01:45.832 Oh, my goodness. 00:01:47.232 --> 00:01:51.112 This was just peeking out. It's so crazy. Wow. That's great. 00:01:51.232 --> 00:01:54.592 Hello, everybody. Thank you so much. We'll be coming back and chatting with you in a moment. 00:01:55.212 --> 00:01:58.432 I want to say a big good morning to our friends over at Tailscale. 00:01:58.692 --> 00:02:03.932 Head over to Tailscale.com slash unplugged and get Tailscale for free on 100 00:02:03.932 --> 00:02:08.012 devices and three accounts. It's the easiest way to connect devices and services 00:02:08.012 --> 00:02:10.992 to each other wherever they are. 00:02:11.172 --> 00:02:18.792 It's modern networking in just the best way possible because it's protected by wild gold. 00:02:19.332 --> 00:02:24.652 I run it on all of my devices, literally all of my devices. I'm still able to 00:02:24.652 --> 00:02:28.912 get by on the free plan, but it just works so wonderfully that I've decided 00:02:28.912 --> 00:02:31.592 to expand my use into JB's infrastructure as well. 00:02:31.912 --> 00:02:36.572 It's fast. It's intuitive. It's programmable. It connects in with your existing 00:02:36.572 --> 00:02:38.952 authentication infrastructure if you have one for a business. 00:02:39.232 --> 00:02:42.832 It supports things like ACLs. There's lots of tooling around it, 00:02:42.832 --> 00:02:44.892 too, to move files and connect to systems. 00:02:45.072 --> 00:02:48.172 And you can use it to manage your SSH keys so you don't actually have to copy 00:02:48.172 --> 00:02:50.832 SSH keys to every box. You can use your Tailscale credentials. 00:02:51.112 --> 00:02:54.652 And thousands of companies use it, like Hugging Face, Duolingo, 00:02:54.772 --> 00:02:55.552 and Instacart and others. 00:02:56.132 --> 00:02:59.272 They love it. We love it. You're going to love it. Try it for free for up to 00:02:59.272 --> 00:03:02.132 100 devices and three users while you're supporting the show. 00:03:02.132 --> 00:03:06.352 Head on over to talescale.com slash unplugged. 00:03:06.572 --> 00:03:09.332 And a big thank you to Talescale for sponsoring the Unplugged program. 00:03:10.232 --> 00:03:12.892 So we would normally at this point do housekeeping. 00:03:14.922 --> 00:03:18.342 But I thought we'd start, since it is 600, we don't usually talk about the show 00:03:18.342 --> 00:03:21.782 on the show. We'd just do a little state of the show. 00:03:22.302 --> 00:03:25.662 These are my rough thoughts. I was just kind of looking back. 00:03:25.662 --> 00:03:29.362 The show launched about 11 years and five months ago. 00:03:29.562 --> 00:03:30.602 Oh, my goodness. 00:03:31.062 --> 00:03:32.322 That was several worlds ago. 00:03:32.402 --> 00:03:37.562 It's been a long time. And I was looking like Frozen recently in the theaters. 00:03:37.662 --> 00:03:39.022 The first Frozen had come out. 00:03:39.482 --> 00:03:41.662 I have a confession. I've never seen it. 00:03:41.982 --> 00:03:42.362 Wow. 00:03:42.622 --> 00:03:43.862 I know. I don't have kids. 00:03:43.962 --> 00:03:46.402 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it enough for both of us. 00:03:46.522 --> 00:03:48.082 Okay, all right. We'll do it tonight. 00:03:48.882 --> 00:03:52.562 Russia had just granted temporary asylum to Edward Snowden. 00:03:52.702 --> 00:03:53.702 Oh, right. 00:03:53.922 --> 00:03:54.122 Wow. 00:03:54.322 --> 00:03:58.602 When the show came out. I checked the price of Bitcoin when the show came out. 00:03:58.722 --> 00:04:01.002 It was $105 for one Bitcoin. 00:04:01.222 --> 00:04:01.862 How much has changed? 00:04:01.982 --> 00:04:05.202 When I read our doc this morning, this little part, I was like, 00:04:05.302 --> 00:04:06.962 oh, well, it was the same price. Oh, no way. 00:04:06.982 --> 00:04:13.362 No, it's $100,000 Delta, yeah. Fedora 19 just shipped with Gnome 38, or 3.8, sorry. 00:04:18.502 --> 00:04:21.882 i just recently had a baby girl my baby 00:04:21.882 --> 00:04:26.942 bella uh this different time it's a long long time ago and it wasn't our first 00:04:26.942 --> 00:04:30.702 podcast right we've been podcasting before linux unplugged but i was just looking 00:04:30.702 --> 00:04:34.782 back at that and thinking wow we are we i think are at a fork in the road that 00:04:34.782 --> 00:04:38.902 is like no other the podcast quote-unquote industry or community i don't know 00:04:38.902 --> 00:04:40.202 what the right word is to describe it. 00:04:40.522 --> 00:04:43.342 Yeah, that was still really early days before the podcast boom. 00:04:43.742 --> 00:04:47.742 Before, and now we're post-boom, really. And what we see is this big shift. 00:04:48.782 --> 00:04:54.242 And I was telling Brent before we got on the air, like, the last couple of weeks, 00:04:54.262 --> 00:04:58.222 I have had all these conversations with either advertisers or people that are 00:04:58.222 --> 00:05:00.582 in the process of building podcast hosting platforms. 00:05:01.522 --> 00:05:06.102 And the conversations have generally, they just assume that we're doing this 00:05:06.102 --> 00:05:09.242 podcast on YouTube with video and, 00:05:10.386 --> 00:05:13.186 You know, like I did like a decade ago with the big microphones and the headphones. 00:05:13.666 --> 00:05:14.206 Aren't we? 00:05:14.406 --> 00:05:19.206 No. And then I have to tell them, no, no, we're just doing audio only. Oh. 00:05:20.486 --> 00:05:21.366 Podcast classic. 00:05:21.526 --> 00:05:23.466 That's lost us ad deals because of that. 00:05:23.526 --> 00:05:24.326 That's crazy, eh? 00:05:24.426 --> 00:05:29.166 Because for them, it's like, it's not a podcast unless it's on YouTube. 00:05:29.986 --> 00:05:30.426 Whoa. 00:05:30.606 --> 00:05:34.766 And what I think is so ironic about that is, like, you listen to Office Hours 00:05:34.766 --> 00:05:40.226 and whatnot. We have been so focused on Spotify and Apple influencing and centralizing podcasting. 00:05:40.386 --> 00:05:42.066 That we just totally slept on YouTube. 00:05:43.666 --> 00:05:48.486 Meanwhile, they've been doing like a low-key move to just suck up as many podcasts as possible. 00:05:48.586 --> 00:05:51.686 And this, now in retrospect, is why they killed the Google Podcast app. 00:05:52.306 --> 00:05:53.886 To get people to move to YouTube. 00:05:54.066 --> 00:05:56.966 Because before, I mean, a lot of podcasts were on YouTube. But it was sort of 00:05:56.966 --> 00:05:59.286 like a, well, people are on here. 00:05:59.506 --> 00:06:03.286 You know, this gets me a couple thousand extra views for folks that like don't 00:06:03.286 --> 00:06:04.286 listen to podcasts otherwise. 00:06:04.506 --> 00:06:04.626 Right. 00:06:05.206 --> 00:06:06.586 And it's been a big shift. 00:06:06.846 --> 00:06:12.366 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I myself catch a pretty good handful of podcasts on YouTube now. 00:06:12.626 --> 00:06:14.726 I would imagine Joe Rogan had a lot to do with that. 00:06:15.166 --> 00:06:23.526 Oh my God, producer Jeff, just to prove a point, when I started publishing on YouTube, it was 4x3. 00:06:24.026 --> 00:06:28.806 And then within a short period of time, they went to 16x9, but on my gear, it was 4x3. 00:06:29.186 --> 00:06:30.386 Oh, that sucks. 00:06:30.626 --> 00:06:34.166 Yeah, we tried this. We've done this path. 00:06:34.706 --> 00:06:39.006 And then what we decided to do was focus on audio because we could do multi-track. 00:06:39.166 --> 00:06:42.146 So each one of us and the mumble room are on our own tracks. 00:06:42.506 --> 00:06:46.086 And if there's something weird with our audio, it can be independently cleaned up. 00:06:46.186 --> 00:06:50.886 But when you do video, you're editing a video show and that's stereo generally, 00:06:51.126 --> 00:06:52.146 not always, but generally. 00:06:52.726 --> 00:06:54.326 And it's a different kind of 00:06:54.326 --> 00:06:57.926 edit than an audio podcast. And we wanted to really focus on great audio. 00:07:00.094 --> 00:07:05.834 The world, it's scary to me because the world is leaving shows like ours behind 00:07:05.834 --> 00:07:06.994 to a degree, at least for a while. 00:07:07.714 --> 00:07:12.394 I think these things tend to be cyclical, but I don't think this cycle's over. 00:07:12.534 --> 00:07:17.834 And I think over the next 100 episodes, I think specifically Linux podcasts 00:07:17.834 --> 00:07:20.534 and others that are hyper-local, hyper-niche podcasts, 00:07:20.714 --> 00:07:23.934 I think we're going to face kind of like the Linux magazine effect, 00:07:23.974 --> 00:07:27.974 where you're going to see a fade of some of these independent creators. 00:07:28.694 --> 00:07:33.874 because monetization is moving to youtube and video ads youtube offers a built-in 00:07:33.874 --> 00:07:39.074 monetization path hosting costs even for audio podcasts but especially for video 00:07:39.074 --> 00:07:43.554 keep rising youtube distributes for free most podcasters that are launching 00:07:43.554 --> 00:07:46.694 a podcast right now feel like they have to do video it's. 00:07:46.694 --> 00:07:51.654 Also where i mean right like if you think about wanting to become someone who 00:07:51.654 --> 00:07:53.774 makes content what is the model for. 00:07:53.774 --> 00:07:56.954 Youtube and if you go on youtube there's a path to monetization If you go on 00:07:56.954 --> 00:08:01.794 the, if you go a podcast, an audio only podcast, it's a bespoke custom path 00:08:01.794 --> 00:08:03.634 to monetization if you want to make it sustainable. 00:08:03.854 --> 00:08:07.254 Or you're doing, you know, TikTok or Reels or Shorts or something that's even 00:08:07.254 --> 00:08:08.274 further from podcasting. 00:08:08.274 --> 00:08:13.594 Right, right. And all of these centralize, you know, and YouTube, this is kind of funny. 00:08:13.934 --> 00:08:19.194 YouTube, as of last week, if you said COVID came from a lab, 00:08:19.414 --> 00:08:21.574 you would get your video demonetized. 00:08:22.354 --> 00:08:26.354 this week you are now allowed to say you can now say covid came from a lab and 00:08:26.354 --> 00:08:29.454 your video will not get demonetized regardless of your opinion on it it's an 00:08:29.454 --> 00:08:34.794 example of how the platform can impact speech but beyond just like that direct 00:08:34.794 --> 00:08:37.194 example that actually just happened in the last few days, 00:08:37.874 --> 00:08:42.074 there's also just the incentives of a platform like tiktok like youtube they 00:08:42.074 --> 00:08:45.914 incentivize a certain type of content that i don't think creates good dialogue 00:08:45.914 --> 00:08:49.934 around free software and we've talked about this before, but I mentioned it 00:08:49.934 --> 00:08:52.234 because I think over the next 100 episodes, 00:08:53.034 --> 00:08:57.774 you're going to see a near total capture of the top 100, 300 podcasts to be on YouTube. 00:08:58.834 --> 00:09:02.754 And something that was once decentralized and independent by its default, 00:09:03.074 --> 00:09:05.594 distributed over RSS is going to be published on YouTube. 00:09:06.374 --> 00:09:09.834 And I, and I just ask you the reason why I'm at picture your own industry that 00:09:09.834 --> 00:09:13.334 you work in right now, going through a seismic shift like this, 00:09:13.494 --> 00:09:18.454 that you think is making things worse and not better, but the momentum just seems unstoppable. 00:09:18.454 --> 00:09:22.654 You can't stop this trend, even though you think it's, it's incentivifying your, your line of work. 00:09:23.714 --> 00:09:27.614 It feels like a takeover almost. It's scary. And I don't think it's the end 00:09:27.614 --> 00:09:28.734 of podcasts or anything like that. 00:09:28.834 --> 00:09:31.154 I think there's totally going to be a path forward for audio podcasts. 00:09:31.294 --> 00:09:32.574 Video didn't kill the radio star. 00:09:34.371 --> 00:09:38.851 But I do think it's going to require tougher choices, and I do think it's going 00:09:38.851 --> 00:09:42.811 to require listeners to be aware of the situation and make active choices to 00:09:42.811 --> 00:09:49.431 support independent content and decentralized content so we don't all end up swallowed up as a whole. 00:09:50.791 --> 00:09:56.431 But I also think we have to keep looking to the audience more so for guidance than ever. 00:09:56.571 --> 00:10:00.611 Maybe there is a point where we do pivot to video if that's what the audience wants. 00:10:00.611 --> 00:10:03.911 because ultimately we are trying to create something that you 00:10:03.911 --> 00:10:06.571 enjoy right like we don't want to just sit 00:10:06.571 --> 00:10:09.331 here talking into the wind but we also want 00:10:09.331 --> 00:10:12.271 to create something we can be proud of that as a whole improves the 00:10:12.271 --> 00:10:17.331 dialogue for the linux community you know this is a very powerful medium podcasting 00:10:17.331 --> 00:10:20.951 it's funny that's happening now too because podcasting has never really been 00:10:20.951 --> 00:10:26.091 more prevalent in the political dialogue and news dialogue and the cultural 00:10:26.091 --> 00:10:31.011 dialogue in the presidential elections like podcasts really had a role yeah. 00:10:31.011 --> 00:10:32.371 But video podcasts. 00:10:32.371 --> 00:10:34.311 They were on youtube yeah people go on. 00:10:34.311 --> 00:10:37.591 Podcasts and then people talk about it on social media that's kind of what happens right. 00:10:37.591 --> 00:10:44.051 I hope i hope you know that the last 600 episodes essentially are viewed as 00:10:44.051 --> 00:10:49.631 a down payment on our commitment to keeping this independent to keeping this as decentralized, 00:10:50.251 --> 00:10:54.131 as possible we're going to look to you though for guidance if you want us to 00:10:54.131 --> 00:10:57.631 change what we're doing or if you want us to stay on the path because we're 00:10:57.631 --> 00:11:01.271 working with you together to create this content and we want to try to improve 00:11:01.271 --> 00:11:03.631 the dialogue in the Linux community and get better and better at that. 00:11:03.991 --> 00:11:07.211 So we're 600 episodes in and I just want to thank everyone for listening. 00:11:08.238 --> 00:11:13.738 It's been an incredible journey for us, and I just want to keep going and really 00:11:13.738 --> 00:11:17.098 grateful for the support and the audience and the community that's built up around this. 00:11:17.178 --> 00:11:20.618 And so we're going to get to the meetup, speaking at Community in a moment, 00:11:20.638 --> 00:11:21.438 but you wanted to say something. 00:11:21.518 --> 00:11:25.058 I did want to say something. Like, this is us reflecting on the show, 00:11:25.058 --> 00:11:29.178 and I just wanted to say, Chris, thank you for doing the show for this long. 00:11:29.298 --> 00:11:34.478 Like, you dragged Wes and I into this whole crazy bandwagon you got going on 00:11:34.478 --> 00:11:38.358 here. And I think like that's, I can easily say that's changed my life in one 00:11:38.358 --> 00:11:40.618 of the most positive ways I've experienced. So yeah. 00:11:40.898 --> 00:11:43.938 Cheers to you boys. Wouldn't be able to do without you. Come on, 00:11:44.018 --> 00:11:46.038 get it up there. Come on, get up there. It's nice to have you in the studio. 00:11:46.318 --> 00:11:47.118 There we go. Come on there. 00:11:47.998 --> 00:11:50.978 Wouldn't it be great if we could do it in the studio every, every Sunday? 00:11:51.958 --> 00:11:52.598 We'll get there. 00:11:52.838 --> 00:11:59.698 Also want to say thanks to Drew. Like he's such a big portion of why this podcast sounds so amazing. 00:11:59.698 --> 00:12:02.398 I know we wanted to have Drew here. I was going to say, we wanted to have Drew here today too. 00:12:02.398 --> 00:12:07.038 And like, Drew's always here, but he's also not, never here because he's, 00:12:07.138 --> 00:12:09.778 you know, doing the editing as soon as the show happens and he puts it out as 00:12:09.778 --> 00:12:11.558 fast as he can. And that's just, yeah. 00:12:11.758 --> 00:12:13.918 Huge massive. He's like an omnipresence meta spirit. 00:12:14.138 --> 00:12:16.378 And we get to start slacking off and he goes to work. 00:12:17.598 --> 00:12:21.178 So with that out of the way, and thank you everyone. 00:12:22.918 --> 00:12:26.858 Let's talk about a new feature that's coming to the show. We'd like to try to 00:12:26.858 --> 00:12:28.578 have something for you for episode 600. 00:12:29.278 --> 00:12:34.358 And with episode 600, we are officially, we've been experimenting for a couple of weeks. 00:12:35.078 --> 00:12:38.418 We're officially rolling out transcripts with every episode of the Unplugged program. 00:12:39.078 --> 00:12:42.678 It's the first show in the JB lineup that has this workflow that we're building 00:12:42.678 --> 00:12:44.458 out around it. So it's kind of a build and learn. 00:12:45.471 --> 00:12:48.511 And our current implementation does have speaker diarization. 00:12:49.091 --> 00:12:52.851 So you'll know if it's me or Wes or Brent or the mumble room, for example, or a clip. 00:12:53.051 --> 00:12:56.731 That does depend on your particular client having support for it. 00:12:56.851 --> 00:13:01.831 Yes, not all clients support that. Again, if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, 00:13:01.911 --> 00:13:04.091 you're going to have a better chance of taking advantage of this stuff. 00:13:04.251 --> 00:13:06.831 But there are some 1.0 apps that will also read these transcripts. 00:13:06.891 --> 00:13:11.651 It's not perfect, right, because it's a whisper transcript or whatever. 00:13:11.651 --> 00:13:15.191 However, we are doing stem isolation. 00:13:15.491 --> 00:13:20.031 So each, again, the advantage of doing an audio podcast is we can individually 00:13:20.031 --> 00:13:22.831 process each track separately. So there's no crosstalk. 00:13:23.151 --> 00:13:28.051 It's when, when it's, when it's transcribing Brent's track, it's only Brent speaking. 00:13:28.291 --> 00:13:32.871 And so it should be a, and we're also doing it with flack audio right off of 00:13:32.871 --> 00:13:35.091 the editor, right off of Drew's editor. 00:13:35.091 --> 00:13:40.371 so it should be the best case scenario for the cleanest best transcript but 00:13:40.371 --> 00:13:45.791 the reality is we have terms we use on the show that we can't even get right. 00:13:45.791 --> 00:13:47.091 And that we make up. 00:13:47.091 --> 00:13:49.831 Yeah so it's there are going to be certain words you know 00:13:49.831 --> 00:13:52.571 we don't need people telling us about every we are reviewing them we don't need 00:13:52.571 --> 00:13:56.011 everybody but if there's some weird obvious issue we'd like to know because 00:13:56.011 --> 00:14:03.691 we are still early in this but things like if it calls nick's n-c-i-n-i-c-k-s 00:14:03.691 --> 00:14:08.251 or whatever like yeah there's nothing we can do about that sorry it doesn't know nix hey. 00:14:08.251 --> 00:14:09.251 Nick makes a great os. 00:14:09.251 --> 00:14:14.771 Yeah yeah nick os um so we'll hopefully get it sorted out as we build it out 00:14:14.771 --> 00:14:18.751 and then we'll build this into other shows and uh we'd love to hear your feedback 00:14:18.751 --> 00:14:22.351 on it and then ultimately we'd love to have people help us integrate it into 00:14:22.351 --> 00:14:26.291 like the note search or something like that so it's also makes the show uh more 00:14:26.291 --> 00:14:28.211 accessible for finding things after the fact. 00:14:28.771 --> 00:14:29.791 I got some questions. 00:14:29.951 --> 00:14:30.051 Yeah. 00:14:30.331 --> 00:14:34.811 So, well, first of all, this is amazing. We've been talking about this for so 00:14:34.811 --> 00:14:38.291 long. I'm super happy to see this coming out. I think it's going to be awesome. 00:14:38.571 --> 00:14:41.291 Yeah, the diarization was the bit that took, we wanted to have, 00:14:41.471 --> 00:14:44.511 and then of course we put all this work into it and then it turns out only a 00:14:44.511 --> 00:14:46.551 handful of the clients support speaker detection, but... 00:14:47.804 --> 00:14:51.784 Um, are we feeling as ambitious to do the back catalog? 00:14:53.504 --> 00:14:58.684 Hmm. I suppose if we built this in a way where we could apply it to other shows, 00:14:58.784 --> 00:14:59.884 eventually we could probably do that too. 00:15:00.684 --> 00:15:05.904 Uh, right now we're paying for the hours that run for the speech recognition. 00:15:06.084 --> 00:15:08.684 So we don't, that'd be, that'd be hundreds of hours. 00:15:08.804 --> 00:15:10.464 Yeah, I know. How many episodes? 00:15:11.404 --> 00:15:12.964 But yeah, I think eventually we should. 00:15:13.104 --> 00:15:16.244 It would be nice to know if people would like that because maybe no one's ever 00:15:16.244 --> 00:15:19.284 going to listen to them. It's not worth our time, but if you care, 00:15:19.564 --> 00:15:20.764 then please put your vote in. 00:15:20.884 --> 00:15:23.804 I mean, in the world of large language models, it's probably always a good idea to have it. 00:15:24.744 --> 00:15:28.064 Yeah, and there's a lot of future room here. We're going to add them to eventually 00:15:28.064 --> 00:15:31.924 have them more integrated in all the things, or whoever wants to build stuff with it. 00:15:32.024 --> 00:15:35.884 I mean, best case scenario, we would build this out to a point where we publish 00:15:35.884 --> 00:15:40.024 a transcript, and then people could make an improvement. 00:15:40.564 --> 00:15:41.304 Oh, that'd be sweet. 00:15:41.484 --> 00:15:44.704 And then they could submit it into us, and we could essentially apply that improvement. 00:15:44.704 --> 00:15:48.664 You know, maybe like some workflow that could make it possible for the community 00:15:48.664 --> 00:15:50.884 to improve them if they want to or not. 00:15:51.244 --> 00:15:54.804 But we could accept those essentially patches, apply it to the main transcript 00:15:54.804 --> 00:15:59.624 and republish it because they're just sitting, you know, as a JSON or VTT file on an endpoint. 00:16:00.164 --> 00:16:02.744 So you could replace them with the improved language pretty easily. 00:16:02.884 --> 00:16:05.044 That's the same idea. And then they would just load again in the next client. 00:16:05.764 --> 00:16:09.904 So that is something we've been working on and we have been testing it. 00:16:09.904 --> 00:16:14.844 So if you've been eagle-eyed out there, you may have noticed it pop up in a few episodes. 00:16:15.284 --> 00:16:20.004 And if you don't see it show up, probably a feed issue. 00:16:20.644 --> 00:16:26.224 The members that get the bootleg, they already get a transcript version. 00:16:27.218 --> 00:16:31.138 They've had that for a while. I don't know if we're going to... 00:16:32.438 --> 00:16:34.578 We've got to figure out how to do it for the members versions in particular, 00:16:34.678 --> 00:16:37.298 too. There's a different workflow there, too. So there's still some things we've got to sort out. 00:16:37.518 --> 00:16:38.838 Yeah, there's a reason we did love first. 00:16:38.938 --> 00:16:39.118 Yeah. 00:16:39.818 --> 00:16:40.178 Yeah. 00:16:41.658 --> 00:16:47.338 Okay, with that announcement, Brent Lee, we've got a lot of people in that mumble 00:16:47.338 --> 00:16:49.098 room, and you've got a list over there. 00:16:49.258 --> 00:16:49.498 Goodness. 00:16:50.058 --> 00:16:54.598 And do you want to maybe start with the different meetups that are happening 00:16:54.598 --> 00:16:56.838 right now as we record episode 600? 00:16:57.218 --> 00:17:02.618 Yeah, this is amazing. I would say incredible and a first time in Linux Unplugged history. 00:17:02.798 --> 00:17:10.658 We have meetups happening concurrently all over the world, which is so fun. 00:17:10.958 --> 00:17:14.938 So thank you, everyone who's doing that. We do have some who have also been 00:17:14.938 --> 00:17:17.138 able to join us here in the Mumble Room. 00:17:17.278 --> 00:17:21.738 So I'm going to try my best to guide us through that. And if I missed anyone, 00:17:21.898 --> 00:17:22.858 well, I'll bring you in later. 00:17:23.078 --> 00:17:26.938 So first of all, Andy, we've got you there over in Croatia. You want to say hi? 00:17:27.218 --> 00:17:31.358 Hello, I'm Andy from Croatia, and I'm enjoying the Linux Unplugged show. 00:17:32.278 --> 00:17:34.058 Thanks for joining us. It's awesome. 00:17:34.138 --> 00:17:36.278 Hello, Croatia. Hello, Andy. Nice to have you. 00:17:36.978 --> 00:17:40.118 Now, our dear friend, Byte, I know you have a crew of people. 00:17:40.118 --> 00:17:45.618 You're hanging out at Fosdom, which is happening at the exact same time as Linux Unplugged 600. Say hi. 00:17:45.998 --> 00:17:48.858 Yes, hello, hello. And guys? Hello! 00:17:53.798 --> 00:17:57.698 Oh man this is uh some of the same people who are part of the crew who are shaking 00:17:57.698 --> 00:18:01.758 the bus last time i was in berlin so thank you for that memorable experience, 00:18:02.718 --> 00:18:05.558 we also have a meetup in london you guys want to say hi. 00:18:06.380 --> 00:18:08.240 Hello, this is Jeevan here. 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:09.820 Hello, Jeevan. 00:18:09.820 --> 00:18:11.940 Sounds like there's more fun happening over there. 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:14.680 We thought we would have more people, but there's only three of us, 00:18:14.760 --> 00:18:16.140 unfortunately, but we're still having a blast. 00:18:16.280 --> 00:18:20.940 So it's all good. That's amazing. Just claim more people showed up and drink 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:22.500 for all of them. Thank you guys for making it. 00:18:23.460 --> 00:18:27.780 We've been talking Nix and Docker and Enterprise nonsense. 00:18:29.380 --> 00:18:33.040 That's amazing. Kia with Joe, you're in Michigan. 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:39.000 That's correct. Lansing, Michigan, the capital city where people drive from Detroit and Flint area. 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:40.400 Nice. 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:41.120 Wow. 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:43.740 Hello. Hello. Thank you for being there. 00:18:44.040 --> 00:18:47.040 Hey, we'll go next. This is Orlando checking in. 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:49.460 Next, we got Matty. You're in Slovenia. 00:18:49.900 --> 00:18:55.580 Yeah. Hi, guys. It's actually a group of us of two, Matt and Luke from Slovenia, 00:18:55.800 --> 00:18:59.260 the chicken-shaped country in middle Europe. 00:18:59.520 --> 00:19:02.800 Oh, sounds delicious. Hello, gentlemen. Thank you for joining us. 00:19:03.340 --> 00:19:08.580 There's also a Midwest meetup happening in Minneapolis, if I can get my M places proper. 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.540 Well, hello. We're coming at you from an igloo on Lake Minnetonka. 00:19:15.060 --> 00:19:19.080 There's three of us out here, and we got some people from Iowa, too. Oh, yeah. 00:19:21.340 --> 00:19:21.860 Hello. 00:19:22.620 --> 00:19:23.360 Oh, gosh. 00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:28.820 There's also a crew in Oakland. Hi, Oakland. 00:19:29.620 --> 00:19:31.740 Hey. Shout out from Oakland. 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:33.300 Hello, Oakland crew! 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:35.440 How many people do we have in Oakland? 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:40.300 We're four here. We're in a hacker space. It's a non-profit. 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:46.180 They let us use the space. We're surrounded by all kinds of gear from the 70s forward. 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.580 That sounds perfect. 00:19:48.840 --> 00:19:49.520 That's great. 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:54.340 Nice. Of course, Chris, you'll have some sweet memories from this place. 00:19:54.360 --> 00:19:56.500 My favorite Toronto team. 00:19:56.840 --> 00:19:57.560 Hello, Toronto. 00:20:00.320 --> 00:20:03.540 team toronto's muted at the moment maybe they had some mic problems they're 00:20:03.540 --> 00:20:08.840 muted but they're there i can verify uh here hello team toronto thank you for 00:20:08.840 --> 00:20:14.020 being here uh and then uh while team toronto fixes their mic uh tech dev was 00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:16.420 in route tech dev where are you at. 00:20:16.420 --> 00:20:18.680 Uh we're in massachusetts we got four of us here. 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.600 Very nice and uh was there a little bit of a story about this meetup in particular? 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:29.200 Oh man, okay, so this was so much fun. I am notoriously late, 00:20:29.360 --> 00:20:34.140 but I'm based out of Maine these days. I had a friend meet me at the border who's, 00:20:35.020 --> 00:20:39.800 An officer who doesn't want to be named, but that friend then gave me an escort 00:20:39.800 --> 00:20:43.960 from the border between New Hampshire and Maine, all the way to Worcester, Massachusetts. 00:20:44.060 --> 00:20:48.200 I got here just a couple of minutes before you guys press the record button and start up the intro. 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:53.120 How do I get this escort? I want it. Now, I have reason to believe this officer 00:20:53.120 --> 00:20:54.080 might be a listener as well. 00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:57.960 That one I don't know. I know that this person knows of the show. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:03.420 I've set up a home assistant server for them in their house and a workshop that 00:21:03.420 --> 00:21:06.560 they have. I don't know if they listen to the show, but they do listen to me 00:21:06.560 --> 00:21:11.140 when I complain about being super late for things and then give it. 00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:16.600 Well, congratulations. I think you win the cake for the only meetup that has a police escort. 00:21:16.860 --> 00:21:19.440 Did we miss anyone in the mumble room there? Did we get all of the, 00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:20.880 we have a whole bunch of folks in there. 00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:23.460 Well, we do have our dear Minimac. 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.500 Of course. Minimac has been working his tail off. Minimac, you're at a meetup 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:28.600 of one right now still, yeah? 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.800 Yeah, yeah. It's me, myself, and I, in fact. 00:21:31.800 --> 00:21:34.040 But you do have a beer open, yeah? 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:40.100 Yeah, I do. I do indeed. I do indeed. And I have the whole community around me. I'm happy. 00:21:40.760 --> 00:21:44.640 Well, can we just everyone say thank you to Minimac? He's been looking after 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:48.600 the Mumble server for, what, years and years? I don't even... 00:21:48.600 --> 00:21:52.260 Round of applause for Minimac. He's been working his tail off this morning, particularly. 00:21:52.580 --> 00:21:53.780 Team Toronto, round two. 00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:58.820 Hey, there we go. Team Toronto's back. Team Toronto, how's it going over there? 00:21:59.000 --> 00:21:59.500 A little rowdy. 00:22:00.060 --> 00:22:03.720 Da-da-da-da-da. I was thinking about, 00:22:04.340 --> 00:22:09.420 I know that I listened to the first Linux and Plux show and I know I was in 00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:16.500 the Mumble room but I was not moderator at that time and I started maybe a year later, 00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:18.680 when Rotten Corpse, 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:26.560 told me that I would be a good addiction because in fact with Europe and time 00:22:26.560 --> 00:22:27.860 zone and everything would be cool, 00:22:28.495 --> 00:22:32.715 And so I started to be a moderator. But it reminds me, you remember, 00:22:33.135 --> 00:22:37.535 when I once killed the on-air room, I deleted the on-air room. 00:22:39.135 --> 00:22:44.175 That was right at the beginning. That was like, yeah, my first baptism, 00:22:44.595 --> 00:22:47.275 like, then I deleted that on-air room. Man. 00:22:48.175 --> 00:22:53.295 But no problems since then. Even though we had to reboot today. 00:22:54.015 --> 00:22:57.635 Now, Brent, we have other meetups actually going on, too. They're just not in the mumble room. 00:22:57.635 --> 00:23:00.455 Yeah, well, I'm wondering, did I miss any meetups in the Mumble Room, 00:23:00.575 --> 00:23:04.555 or does anyone else in the Mumble Room want to say hi before I move on to the others? 00:23:04.795 --> 00:23:08.315 Can I say I'm sorry for Minimek that I caused trouble today? 00:23:09.075 --> 00:23:11.615 There may have been a server crash issue. It's fine, it's fine. 00:23:12.715 --> 00:23:16.275 Hey, this is El Rey. I was going to say thanks for being an awesome show, guys. 00:23:16.755 --> 00:23:21.175 Well, thank you for everything you do. And thank you for making it, 00:23:21.235 --> 00:23:22.415 man. It's nice to have you here this morning. 00:23:22.435 --> 00:23:22.775 Very nice. 00:23:22.855 --> 00:23:24.055 This morning, this afternoon, whatever it is. 00:23:24.055 --> 00:23:28.495 Yeah, Array was a key contributor on the website itself. 00:23:28.735 --> 00:23:32.295 Taught me a heck of a lot of things in trying to help the community build something 00:23:32.295 --> 00:23:36.155 awesome, which is totally happening. So thank you to the website crew as well. 00:23:36.575 --> 00:23:41.155 Now, we do have other meetups, believe it or not. So there were 14 meetups in 00:23:41.155 --> 00:23:44.655 total, at least listed on our events page that we threw up. 00:23:45.235 --> 00:23:48.075 And some of the other meetups happening right now, they're little listening 00:23:48.075 --> 00:23:49.815 parties. There's one in New York City. 00:23:50.535 --> 00:23:54.335 I guess there's, I mentioned the one in London. We have one in Minnesota. 00:23:54.875 --> 00:23:59.215 There's another happening in Walla Walla, one of my favorite Washingtonian places, 00:23:59.555 --> 00:24:01.575 and another in Atlanta, Georgia. 00:24:05.229 --> 00:24:10.289 But there is one that I missed. We are throwing our very own meetup. 00:24:10.389 --> 00:24:10.869 Oh, that's right. 00:24:11.069 --> 00:24:12.769 In a few hours. Did you forget about that one? 00:24:12.929 --> 00:24:15.229 I guess I did. Yeah, we have a party to get to after this. 00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:19.009 Yeah. And so I'm sure we will have a crew of people to hang out with. 00:24:19.289 --> 00:24:22.889 Well, thank you, everybody, for making it. Now, this is episode 600, 00:24:22.949 --> 00:24:26.689 also going to be special, because this will be the episode that we kick off 00:24:26.689 --> 00:24:29.089 the FreeBSD Challenge, which I cannot believe in retrospect. 00:24:29.289 --> 00:24:30.469 I wasn't really open to the idea. 00:24:30.469 --> 00:24:35.369 but uh you know now having reviewed it i can't believe we haven't done. 00:24:35.369 --> 00:24:37.349 It only took me 500 episodes to convince you. 00:24:37.349 --> 00:24:41.949 Uh before we get into that we kind of have a special snail mail. 00:24:41.949 --> 00:24:44.689 We do have snail mail i did have a thought before snail mail 00:24:44.689 --> 00:24:47.689 if any of these meetups you guys want us to build a matrix room 00:24:47.689 --> 00:24:50.809 for the meetup i know that often gets 00:24:50.809 --> 00:24:54.029 uh the crew to do meetups without us keep doing 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:56.969 them please reach out to me personally and help make 00:24:56.969 --> 00:24:59.669 that happen but yeah snail mail of all things if you send 00:24:59.669 --> 00:25:02.669 us snail mail we will definitely get a giant grin 00:25:02.669 --> 00:25:07.749 on our face and this one in particular uh is i don't know i don't even have 00:25:07.749 --> 00:25:12.649 words for how great this is so this one is has a giant how would you describe 00:25:12.649 --> 00:25:21.349 this it's a giant rocket it's a photograph of a rocket that looks like it's in a futuristic kind of i. 00:25:21.349 --> 00:25:24.769 Thought it was uh like one of those like maker spaces you go to over there in. 00:25:24.769 --> 00:25:27.629 Berlin so i haven't it's a postcard we should say it's a 00:25:27.629 --> 00:25:30.549 postcard it is a postcard yes uh so let 00:25:30.549 --> 00:25:34.069 me read what it says here dear jb team 00:25:34.069 --> 00:25:37.309 sending my greetings from the chaos communication congress 00:25:37.309 --> 00:25:42.989 in hamburg germany the picture is a few years old but it conveys the vibe perfectly 00:25:42.989 --> 00:25:50.489 cheers from gilgoff and it even has a rocket postage stamp yeah that's pretty 00:25:50.489 --> 00:25:55.249 great really really super sweet i think this might end up on the studio fridge it's. 00:25:55.249 --> 00:26:00.669 Going on the fridge thank you for the postcard and thank you everybody now let's 00:26:00.669 --> 00:26:01.469 get into the rest of the show, 00:26:04.215 --> 00:26:06.475 onepassword.com slash unplugged. 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That's all lowercase, the number 1Password.com slash unplugged. 00:28:09.155 --> 00:28:11.655 1Password.com slash unplugged. 00:28:14.615 --> 00:28:18.655 Well, because it's episode 600, we decided to just do things in a different order. 00:28:18.795 --> 00:28:24.835 Why not? shake it up and we wanted to do this specifically to get your advice 00:28:24.835 --> 00:28:30.275 which we solicited for how in the world are we going to do this free bsd challenge 00:28:30.275 --> 00:28:32.035 and so we're going to look at the boost first. 00:28:36.857 --> 00:28:40.077 Yes, indeed, because lots of these are about the FreeBSD Challenge. 00:28:40.077 --> 00:28:45.897 And our baller booster this week for episode 600, the only episode 600 there 00:28:45.897 --> 00:28:51.077 ever will be, is The Dude Abides with 700,000. 00:28:51.637 --> 00:28:53.097 Wait, 770,000. 00:28:53.937 --> 00:28:55.457 Oh, my God. 00:28:56.317 --> 00:28:59.737 With 770,000 sets. 00:29:02.557 --> 00:29:07.757 That right there is a showmaker. Thank you, the dude. 00:29:08.337 --> 00:29:15.497 Appreciate that. He says, I had to spend two hours yesterday debugging what happened to my AlbiHub. 00:29:15.697 --> 00:29:19.297 It turns out it was down and I hadn't boosted in a while, and my funds got transferred 00:29:19.297 --> 00:29:23.077 to on-chain. So I had to open up some new channels to get all things going again. 00:29:23.277 --> 00:29:26.157 But thankfully, I got it up in time for the 600th episode. 00:29:26.377 --> 00:29:32.277 Hopefully, I got the math right. now what i love about this is the work he put 00:29:32.277 --> 00:29:37.097 into getting his own self-hosted boosting infrastructure up and going for the 00:29:37.097 --> 00:29:41.797 600th episode like that is only this show's audience literally, 00:29:42.417 --> 00:29:45.597 only this show's audience in the world would do that right like. 00:29:45.597 --> 00:29:49.397 Let me stand up a bunch of new infrastructure so i can spend money. 00:29:49.397 --> 00:29:54.797 So incredible so incredible so uh i don't know if he was going for particular math but i. 00:29:54.797 --> 00:29:58.237 Think 600 000 but then maybe some of these extra boosts kind of tallied up. 00:29:58.237 --> 00:30:03.077 I see okay all right i see there you go oh 600 for the 60 yeah wow thank you 00:30:03.077 --> 00:30:08.037 again thank you that is really that is really generous really appreciate that. 00:30:08.037 --> 00:30:11.037 Okay so uh speaking of folks who've been working on 00:30:11.037 --> 00:30:15.557 setting up uh albie hubs big lang boosted in uh but we had another issue with 00:30:15.557 --> 00:30:18.737 missing metadata so we're going to investigate that see about it might be a 00:30:18.737 --> 00:30:24.097 upstream lsp issue the stats made it just not the message but you know manual 00:30:24.097 --> 00:30:28.677 back channel so we got 327 170 sats. 00:30:32.388 --> 00:30:34.968 Awesome. Again from a self-hosted setup? 00:30:35.188 --> 00:30:35.328 Yeah. 00:30:35.588 --> 00:30:36.568 Oh my god, amazing. 00:30:36.748 --> 00:30:41.428 Now that was going to be a more reasonable 65k, but five test boosts, 00:30:41.448 --> 00:30:44.348 not sure if it's working, means McLean is super generous. 00:30:44.608 --> 00:30:50.048 Happy 600, he says, in the boost. Thank you, McLean. Really appreciate that. 00:30:50.508 --> 00:30:54.028 Now Vamax sent us two boosts, and they're both quite special. 00:30:54.228 --> 00:30:56.788 One of them here, 100,000 sats. 00:31:00.688 --> 00:31:02.128 Vamax, that's amazing. Thank you. 00:31:02.388 --> 00:31:05.648 So Vamax first boost here. Cheers to 600 for shower thoughts. 00:31:05.928 --> 00:31:09.128 I recommend a memory trick I learned from my pastor. 00:31:09.408 --> 00:31:09.608 Oh. 00:31:10.148 --> 00:31:13.108 Here it goes. Whenever you have a thought you want to remember, 00:31:13.448 --> 00:31:16.288 set that thought as an object in a picture. 00:31:16.648 --> 00:31:21.048 When you have another, add it to that picture in a way that makes sense. 00:31:21.588 --> 00:31:26.068 Then, when you can record things, walk through the picture and write them down. 00:31:26.348 --> 00:31:30.328 For example, when I was listening, driving home, and needed to remember what 00:31:30.328 --> 00:31:36.128 to boost, I pictured the podcast index text box with a brain in it. 00:31:36.388 --> 00:31:42.928 And then for my thoughts on spring tuxies, I added a big plus on top of the brain. 00:31:43.108 --> 00:31:45.348 The more ridiculous the picture, the better. 00:31:45.828 --> 00:31:48.948 I like that. It seems like a variant of the mind palace sort of technique. 00:31:49.328 --> 00:31:53.628 I have a cheap, like I got to remember something and I cannot, 00:31:53.808 --> 00:31:55.128 like I can't write it down or something. 00:31:55.448 --> 00:31:58.728 And that cheap trick is I'll screw something up in the environment. 00:31:59.108 --> 00:32:03.568 like you know put a cup upside down or put something on my keyboard so that 00:32:03.568 --> 00:32:07.328 way when i see it i'm like why the hell did i oh right and that's one of my 00:32:07.328 --> 00:32:08.968 quick go-to tricks but i like that explains. 00:32:08.968 --> 00:32:09.688 A lot about the. 00:32:09.688 --> 00:32:10.148 Studios, 00:32:13.368 --> 00:32:14.448 that's a good trick though. 00:32:14.448 --> 00:32:18.668 Vamax did send in a second boost here one two three four five satoshis. 00:32:18.668 --> 00:32:19.508 Oh you know what that is. 00:32:23.708 --> 00:32:26.948 So it looks like uh this is actually the boost they were trying to remember 00:32:26.948 --> 00:32:30.888 spring plus tuxies That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life. 00:32:31.708 --> 00:32:35.788 Okay. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. I've actually been, I did rethink it later. 00:32:35.868 --> 00:32:39.668 I'm like, that sounds like a pain in the butt. I don't really want to do that. 00:32:42.228 --> 00:32:48.968 Thank you for the boost. Appreciate it. Nostaramo comes in with 100,000 sets. 00:32:53.823 --> 00:32:58.103 600 times the penguins call brought a lot of fun to one and all. 00:32:58.563 --> 00:32:59.303 Aw, that's nice. 00:33:00.243 --> 00:33:01.243 Wait, what did he call us? 00:33:01.563 --> 00:33:04.343 Well, we are kind of penguins. That's usually what I generate when I generate 00:33:04.343 --> 00:33:07.363 a picture. It's we're penguins in there, you know? I love it. 00:33:07.463 --> 00:33:08.263 You've been doing what? 00:33:08.723 --> 00:33:11.463 Oh, by the way. Thank you, Nostro. Always nice to hear from you. 00:33:12.343 --> 00:33:15.843 KR Hill 94 comes in with 50,000 sets. 00:33:16.063 --> 00:33:16.203 Right. 00:33:18.063 --> 00:33:21.783 Oh, volunteering to try FreeBSD on a Raspberry Pi. 00:33:21.983 --> 00:33:25.483 Aha, noted. Okay. See, what do you guys think about? I was thinking about trying 00:33:25.483 --> 00:33:28.283 it on the Pi 400, not as my main system, but. 00:33:28.443 --> 00:33:30.543 Yeah, at least one of us should. I think that's a good idea. Yeah, okay. 00:33:31.003 --> 00:33:35.263 I'm down to try it on the Pi 400. And sounds like KR is as well. 00:33:36.183 --> 00:33:37.563 Very good, very, very good. 00:33:40.463 --> 00:33:40.783 Sorry. 00:33:42.523 --> 00:33:46.303 Well, Jade Snake came in with 40,000 sats across four booths. 00:33:50.003 --> 00:33:54.183 chris i've been listening since the early lunduk days been a member for many 00:33:54.183 --> 00:33:57.903 years but have been mostly an asynchronous well nice. 00:33:57.903 --> 00:33:58.543 To hear from you. 00:34:00.083 --> 00:34:04.903 Recently upon a reflection it struck me that hundreds of podcasts and media 00:34:04.903 --> 00:34:09.223 personalities have come and gone over the years but you've been the central 00:34:09.223 --> 00:34:14.883 pillar of all my listening not just podcasts, for over 15 years. So thank you. 00:34:15.263 --> 00:34:16.623 Wow, thank you. That's incredible. 00:34:16.923 --> 00:34:22.183 I hereby nominate Chris Lass for Linux King, or at least Prime Minister. 00:34:22.383 --> 00:34:25.723 That makes sense, guys. That makes a lot of sense. 00:34:27.903 --> 00:34:31.943 That's great. Thank you very much. Is that Sam Squanch? Is that who that is? 00:34:32.003 --> 00:34:32.603 That's Sam Squanch. 00:34:32.643 --> 00:34:37.263 Ah, thank you, Sam Squanch. Nice to hear from you. OtterBrain comes in with 00:34:37.263 --> 00:34:40.203 a row of McDucks, 22,222 SATs. 00:34:42.161 --> 00:34:46.841 You guys are the best. Thanks for being the cure for my Sunday scaries. 00:34:47.341 --> 00:34:48.941 Like, because you've got to go to work the next time. 00:34:50.581 --> 00:34:54.821 Congratulations on 600 shows. Looking forward to 600 more. Yeah, buddy. 00:34:55.101 --> 00:34:55.701 Bring it. 00:34:55.841 --> 00:34:56.281 Thank you. 00:34:56.621 --> 00:34:57.701 With the support, we will. 00:34:59.381 --> 00:35:03.381 Tomato comes in with 22,222 sets. 00:35:05.681 --> 00:35:07.141 Congrats on 600. 00:35:07.461 --> 00:35:07.901 Thank you, Tomato. 00:35:08.161 --> 00:35:11.481 I'm excited for you lads to do a free BSD challenge. 00:35:11.641 --> 00:35:11.901 All right. 00:35:11.901 --> 00:35:16.141 I'll actually happily join in. I run NetBSD on some of my servers, 00:35:16.381 --> 00:35:19.181 but haven't given free a try in a while. 00:35:19.561 --> 00:35:22.461 I was also glad to hear Chris made the connection with Nix OS. 00:35:22.801 --> 00:35:27.101 I mean, as someone who's been using Linux and BSD since the 90s, 00:35:27.241 --> 00:35:31.381 the central point of configuration was a nice familiar feature of Nix. 00:35:31.821 --> 00:35:36.901 I wish I could have organized a local meetup for 600, but family things come first. Cheers. 00:35:37.301 --> 00:35:40.521 Understand, Tomato. Maybe for 700. Maybe for 700. 00:35:41.901 --> 00:35:48.461 Jasko boosted in 20,000 sats. Happy episode 600, guys. 00:35:48.841 --> 00:35:52.181 Thank you for all of the hard work over the years building this amazing community. 00:35:52.401 --> 00:35:53.201 Well, thank you for the boost. 00:35:53.581 --> 00:35:57.721 Regarding Linux phones, I'm more excited about the Comet than anything crowdsourced. 00:35:57.741 --> 00:36:00.801 The Librem 5 did leave a bad taste in my mouth. 00:36:01.937 --> 00:36:06.797 I recently solved my mobile Linux fix with an OnePlus 6 running post-market 00:36:06.797 --> 00:36:08.697 OS and have been loving it. 00:36:09.197 --> 00:36:14.997 I built a folding keyboard case around it and have been using it as a handheld laptop. 00:36:15.477 --> 00:36:18.617 Okay. Brett, maybe this is your backup hatch. 00:36:18.637 --> 00:36:19.617 Right? This sounds actually pretty sweet. 00:36:19.617 --> 00:36:22.297 This is your escape hatch if Graphene OS doesn't work out for some reason. 00:36:22.537 --> 00:36:26.497 If I can do a little self-promo, people can find my 3D files, 00:36:26.677 --> 00:36:30.977 build instructions, and photos at jasko.website. slash step. 00:36:31.237 --> 00:36:34.917 That's jasco j-a-s-c-o dot website slash step. 00:36:35.317 --> 00:36:39.477 I still carry an iPhone as a backup device, but have barely been using it. 00:36:40.317 --> 00:36:43.277 Post-market OS and a case that's 00:36:43.277 --> 00:36:46.737 also a keyboard sounds like a pretty interesting combo on a OnePlus 6. 00:36:46.937 --> 00:36:51.017 You know what I just pulled out? In Canada, we used to call it the HTC Dream, 00:36:51.217 --> 00:36:54.817 but it was the old Droid phone, the very first one that had the flip-out keyboard, 00:36:55.017 --> 00:36:55.737 the first Android phone. 00:36:55.937 --> 00:36:56.977 Yeah, I remember that. 00:36:57.077 --> 00:36:57.737 I think it was amazing. 00:36:57.737 --> 00:36:58.457 It was pretty great. 00:36:58.857 --> 00:37:02.817 I had it tucked away in a drawer, and PJ mentioned it, and I pulled it out of 00:37:02.817 --> 00:37:06.877 the drawer, and I just held it in my hands. They knew how to make phones back then. 00:37:06.897 --> 00:37:11.317 I think I kind of peaked on how good I'm going to get at touchscreen keyboards on a phone. 00:37:11.417 --> 00:37:15.037 I'm not horrible at it, but I'm not physical keyboard at it. 00:37:15.197 --> 00:37:17.377 You know, like I'm fast at a physical keyboard. 00:37:18.077 --> 00:37:23.457 In fact, with the Fudo keyboard, I pretty much almost always just use voice 00:37:23.457 --> 00:37:25.477 dictation if I'm doing anything more than a sentence. 00:37:25.797 --> 00:37:27.497 Well, you're still waiting on that Neuralink, right? 00:37:28.357 --> 00:37:32.017 Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't that be nice? Only I'd like it to be open source, 00:37:32.037 --> 00:37:34.917 not owned by Elon, and not creepy. 00:37:35.277 --> 00:37:38.117 Distro Stu comes in with 5,000 and two sets. 00:37:39.357 --> 00:37:44.477 Hey, y'all. Missed you the second boost on episode 598 about the Knicks article. Oh, right, right. 00:37:45.577 --> 00:37:47.877 And are you at the Oakland party? Is he there? 00:37:48.157 --> 00:37:49.737 Yes, yes, yes. I'm here. 00:37:50.037 --> 00:37:51.697 All right. Hello, Distro Stu. 00:37:54.997 --> 00:37:58.517 Thank you for the boost, buddy. Appreciate you. Nice to hear from you. 00:37:58.737 --> 00:38:05.657 Well, ShyFox comes in with Erodox. To automatically set my time zones in NixOS, 00:38:05.877 --> 00:38:08.957 I use services.automatic-timezone-d. 00:38:09.157 --> 00:38:10.957 There you go, Brent. So this is for you and your travel. 00:38:11.057 --> 00:38:15.597 Yeah. I clearly have things to learn. They say it has worked flawlessly while I... 00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:22.590 gallivant gallivant on business trips wait a second those two things seem like they don't match up hey. 00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:23.510 Man make the best of it. 00:38:23.510 --> 00:38:28.450 I love it uh great advice thank you and the second uh boost here says i probably 00:38:28.450 --> 00:38:32.610 should have added my comment was in reference to a pre-show that brian mentioned 00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:34.610 about time zones and i sure did yeah. 00:38:34.610 --> 00:38:35.770 Get your uh get your automatic. 00:38:35.770 --> 00:38:41.670 Time zone actually my computer is telling me the wrong time right i know i'm sure it is i'm. 00:38:41.670 --> 00:38:44.430 Sure it is all right so going back now to distro stew. 00:38:44.430 --> 00:38:47.710 Yeah hey guys thanks for discussing my post nick's 00:38:47.710 --> 00:38:50.650 death by a thousand cuts i like how this conversation has 00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:53.770 been coming up more these days and all the friendly responses i've gotten including 00:38:53.770 --> 00:38:58.630 from multiple c suite folks in the nix world that's nice to hear good clearly 00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:03.810 y'all have drank the nix kool-aid as have i this is why i use nix everywhere 00:39:03.810 --> 00:39:08.270 but this article was very focused on desktop use nix is great on the server 00:39:08.270 --> 00:39:11.430 but are you guys using nix all day every day on the desktop. 00:39:11.850 --> 00:39:16.530 For my work, I regularly get poll and compile open source projects from many languages. 00:39:16.790 --> 00:39:21.210 I think the story for server production use is different, and I should highlight that fact more. 00:39:21.410 --> 00:39:24.550 I get the sense that maybe Wes uses it daily and perhaps is your local flake 00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:27.750 guru who likes to dig deep on solutions and share them across your systems. 00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:28.950 Yeah, okay, that's fair. 00:39:29.130 --> 00:39:29.270 Yeah. 00:39:29.630 --> 00:39:33.150 This is really better as a conversation, and I'm working on a follow-up blog 00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:37.230 post, so I won't rebut each point here, but I will agree with you that comparing 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:40.970 Nix to traditional Linux is really comparing apples to oranges they are different 00:39:40.970 --> 00:39:43.190 beasts and really provide different features, 00:39:43.770 --> 00:39:48.030 anyway great show and thanks for the discussion see you in march here's hoping 00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:52.090 pasadena is still standing word on the street is the convention center is being 00:39:52.090 --> 00:39:54.910 used as an evacuation shelter these days uh. 00:39:54.910 --> 00:39:58.790 Everything we've heard from folks involved is that things are still on schedule 00:39:58.790 --> 00:40:00.090 and planning to go forward. 00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:01.910 The skating rink is still there too right. 00:40:01.910 --> 00:40:02.510 I'm sure. 00:40:02.510 --> 00:40:05.790 And we'll have some updates i guess in the pretty soon future on our plans did. 00:40:05.790 --> 00:40:08.150 You want to respond to the desktop I had a thought on the desktop thing. 00:40:08.270 --> 00:40:08.810 Oh, you go first. 00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:14.710 You know, this is not a great analogy, and this is something I'd love to have feedback on to refine. 00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:20.450 But to me, it's like asking, are you going to daily drive that car that has an automatic starter? 00:40:22.352 --> 00:40:25.472 Because, you know, the crank engine, they're better cars. You know, 00:40:25.652 --> 00:40:27.432 the one over, yeah, you got to crank it, but it's a better car. 00:40:27.852 --> 00:40:33.852 Like, to me, what Nix is, is finally what developers have always had. 00:40:34.152 --> 00:40:41.492 And the feeling of, I put my instructions into the machine, and the machine 00:40:41.492 --> 00:40:45.312 is manipulated and does what I tell it to do and produces the result I want. 00:40:45.872 --> 00:40:49.072 And we've gotten that in the mechanical world to a pretty fine point. 00:40:49.752 --> 00:40:54.512 But in the software world, there is this nebulous, it works factor. 00:40:54.772 --> 00:40:56.952 And a lot of times it's a bit of a black box. 00:40:57.872 --> 00:41:02.432 And what Nix does is you program the operating system level now. 00:41:02.772 --> 00:41:06.472 It's not as complicated as programming, but it essentially is this. 00:41:06.772 --> 00:41:11.372 And you are programming a computer and you are getting the exact results from 00:41:11.372 --> 00:41:12.612 that computer that you want. 00:41:12.752 --> 00:41:18.312 And anything less than that is this vague black box that is storing a state for you. 00:41:19.612 --> 00:41:24.492 And so to me, it's not a question of different distributions do it differently. 00:41:24.732 --> 00:41:29.232 To me, this is a complete shift in technology. 00:41:29.972 --> 00:41:36.052 We're going from a totally manual something that doesn't work well for everybody 00:41:36.052 --> 00:41:38.432 to something that is completely programmable. 00:41:38.432 --> 00:41:42.872 so now the operating system is programmable and the applications are programmable 00:41:42.872 --> 00:41:48.092 and i i just there's no coming back from that because this is how it should 00:41:48.092 --> 00:41:52.852 have always worked the computer should have always been given instructions and 00:41:52.852 --> 00:41:54.952 then doing done exactly what we tell them to do, 00:41:55.592 --> 00:41:59.232 it's always should have been this way we just we have we didn't do it we took 00:41:59.232 --> 00:42:03.092 a different path and so once you make that kind of switch and thinking there's 00:42:03.092 --> 00:42:06.232 really no going back i think It doesn't make the other stuff less valuable. 00:42:07.032 --> 00:42:10.832 It's just done differently. And, you know, that's why, yeah, 00:42:10.992 --> 00:42:13.592 of course, I use it as a daily driver. Of course I do. 00:42:14.794 --> 00:42:19.114 I do think Stu's onto something here, you know, regularly get pulling and compile 00:42:19.114 --> 00:42:20.714 open source projects from many languages. 00:42:20.794 --> 00:42:25.394 I do think, and maybe we didn't do as good of a job articulating this as I'd like in the episode. 00:42:25.774 --> 00:42:30.394 I think as a, like a DevOps sysadmin developer desktop, 00:42:30.694 --> 00:42:34.794 that might be one area where it's kind of the hardest if you're not also like 00:42:34.794 --> 00:42:41.314 a Nix developer to meet the expectations that you have from a different Linux distribution or a Mac. 00:42:41.454 --> 00:42:43.934 To that point, I think it's, I think that's why it's, it's never going to be 00:42:43.934 --> 00:42:47.734 a hundred percent solution because there's always going to be that legacy because 00:42:47.734 --> 00:42:53.014 we've done it the other way for so long it's there's no going back but uh you 00:42:53.014 --> 00:42:54.994 know for the stuff i run okay. 00:42:54.994 --> 00:43:00.194 Distro's still here can you hear me i was just saying that using puppet is a 00:43:00.194 --> 00:43:04.654 lot like or using nix os is a lot like using puppet or ansible to the extreme. 00:43:04.654 --> 00:43:10.054 Yeah yeah turn it up to the max right down to the individual like system d level and. 00:43:10.054 --> 00:43:13.874 Without some of the you know i do some of the same escape patches don't quite. 00:43:13.874 --> 00:43:15.034 Work well. 00:43:15.034 --> 00:43:19.314 I'd like to add to that my experience has been almost exclusively on the desktop 00:43:19.314 --> 00:43:23.314 it's only until quite recently that i've started using it on the server, 00:43:24.554 --> 00:43:28.014 and i've come to love it because of 00:43:28.014 --> 00:43:31.334 its simplicity and maybe that sounds crazy because 00:43:31.334 --> 00:43:34.874 i think maybe that's an unpopular opinion but 00:43:34.874 --> 00:43:41.874 it has made my managing my desktop so much simpler and to the point where i 00:43:41.874 --> 00:43:48.214 have an expectation of what will be on my desktop and it's always that and it 00:43:48.214 --> 00:43:53.494 doesn't deviate from that and i can predict what's going to be there and remove and add things, 00:43:54.394 --> 00:43:55.634 actually quite easily. 00:43:55.634 --> 00:43:59.274 It was really nice when i resurrected an old machine that had been sitting around 00:43:59.274 --> 00:44:05.094 for months and just updated it and got right back to use i mean it cross releases 00:44:05.094 --> 00:44:10.254 anyways moving on i'll take this next one it's from gene bean speaking of gene bean 4011 sats, 00:44:12.494 --> 00:44:15.534 uh he's been setting up his own self-hosted setups too which has been really 00:44:15.534 --> 00:44:20.474 great to see and uh it sounds like he's using nix os on hetzner and he's got 00:44:20.474 --> 00:44:25.674 tail scale loaded up in there too he says regarding the shower aha moments i 00:44:25.674 --> 00:44:28.054 use a voice assistant to remind me in about an hour, 00:44:28.854 --> 00:44:33.414 that is one of the nice things about using the stock os is reminders and things 00:44:33.414 --> 00:44:37.414 like that i that's the number one thing i miss the number one thing is being 00:44:37.414 --> 00:44:41.014 able to park at the machine and set a reminder one day. 00:44:41.014 --> 00:44:44.194 Yeah and i was hearing a bit from gene about this setup and yeah it seems like 00:44:44.194 --> 00:44:47.934 it's working well and it's a nice uh a nice setup i think many folks could uh 00:44:47.934 --> 00:44:52.714 copy and gene took an interesting approach with nginx we were doing i think 00:44:52.714 --> 00:44:53.774 nf tables but for setting. 00:44:53.774 --> 00:44:54.114 Up a. 00:44:54.114 --> 00:44:54.814 Similar setup that. 00:44:54.814 --> 00:45:00.554 You have like a vps front end on hetzner is what he's got and then a actual 00:45:00.554 --> 00:45:03.514 like um you know lightning node on his land which. 00:45:03.514 --> 00:45:06.234 Works especially well if you have to you know you want a full bitcoin node and 00:45:06.234 --> 00:45:08.914 stuff that can have some disk requirements and various other things so. 00:45:08.914 --> 00:45:09.654 Yeah neat. 00:45:09.654 --> 00:45:10.714 Thanks for sharing gene, 00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:18.389 Marcel Bussin with 5,000 sets. Congrats on 600. 00:45:18.929 --> 00:45:23.509 I just got a notice that my Pixel 5 is no longer receiving security updates 00:45:23.509 --> 00:45:25.249 and I should replace it immediately. 00:45:25.629 --> 00:45:29.829 I hate throwing out stuff that works, though. My laptop is 10 years old and 00:45:29.829 --> 00:45:32.429 my mom is still happily using the one that I had before that. 00:45:32.889 --> 00:45:37.189 Why can't Android be more like Linux? I'd definitely be interested in a Linux phone. 00:45:37.669 --> 00:45:41.089 I also hate that everything has to be a stupid app these days. 00:45:41.089 --> 00:45:44.469 If I could do all my sensitive stuff like banking on my computer, 00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:47.809 I wouldn't really have to worry so much if I just stuck with the Pixel 5. 00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:49.949 Old man yells at cloud, I guess. 00:45:50.729 --> 00:45:53.809 Yeah, I mean, this is where post-market can kind of step in, 00:45:53.909 --> 00:45:55.769 right, to a degree for some of these things. 00:45:55.889 --> 00:46:00.809 But it is really, so many things are app-based and require all the Google crap. 00:46:01.669 --> 00:46:06.209 It is a bad situation. It's only slightly better on iOS, you know. 00:46:06.329 --> 00:46:09.609 But an iPhone 7 or whatever is probably getting rolled off right now. 00:46:09.689 --> 00:46:09.849 Yeah. 00:46:10.409 --> 00:46:14.229 Something like that. Well, Sire boosted in a total of 3,000 sets. 00:46:14.929 --> 00:46:18.849 If you guys are moving forward with this challenge, I will do gaming benchmarks, 00:46:19.229 --> 00:46:22.349 Arch versus FreeBSD, and I will boost those results. 00:46:22.669 --> 00:46:24.649 Whoa, right. Putting that down, that's great. 00:46:24.949 --> 00:46:28.089 Also, thank you again for all the amazing content that you put out through the 00:46:28.089 --> 00:46:31.509 years. I should have boosted sooner. It was so easy. 00:46:31.829 --> 00:46:34.969 Oh, good. I'm glad it wasn't too hard. Thank you for setting it up. 00:46:36.669 --> 00:46:44.229 They say here, by the way, postcode boost, except it's J3B2Echo2. 00:46:44.489 --> 00:46:48.089 You're all going to need Brent to pronounce it. Please don't let me down, Brent. 00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:49.149 Oh, my. 00:46:51.609 --> 00:46:53.849 Is it like St. Louis L'Haha or something? 00:46:54.489 --> 00:46:55.749 Well, let's find out. 00:46:56.029 --> 00:47:00.769 Is this maybe a perplexity question? Let's be real. Maybe this is a little beyond the map. 00:47:01.529 --> 00:47:05.309 Well, I'll send it to Brent here. I've got my initial map. 00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:05.909 Ganonokwe or something? 00:47:06.969 --> 00:47:11.829 Well, here, I gave you a Slack if you want. Oh, I'll just look over your shoulder. It's fine. 00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:14.569 He's in studio. He can just look over your shoulder. Oh, my God. 00:47:15.309 --> 00:47:18.249 Okay. Now, while you guys... 00:47:18.249 --> 00:47:18.869 Okay, it's in Quebec. 00:47:19.309 --> 00:47:19.589 Oh. 00:47:20.029 --> 00:47:22.629 It's Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu. Oh. 00:47:23.549 --> 00:47:24.609 Good fishing up there in Quebec. 00:47:24.949 --> 00:47:28.049 You know, I was thinking of Quebec the other day, but I'll tell you that story later. 00:47:28.369 --> 00:47:31.889 Hmm. Well, I hear it's good fishing up there. I hear he's a good guy. 00:47:32.149 --> 00:47:34.569 Thanks for boosting in. Appreciate that. That was fun. 00:47:35.189 --> 00:47:37.129 Open Source Accountant is back. 00:47:39.188 --> 00:47:43.208 And he says, for shower thoughts, I use something I learned about while building 00:47:43.208 --> 00:47:44.988 roads and bridges in the Seattle area. 00:47:45.728 --> 00:47:51.768 Waterproof paper and a Ticonderoga pencil tied to it. 00:47:51.948 --> 00:47:54.608 Nothing between me and the documenting my thoughts while I'm in the shower. 00:47:54.988 --> 00:47:56.688 Still working on the diving solution, though. 00:47:57.148 --> 00:47:59.928 Open source accountant, email me, chris at jupiterbroadcasting.com. 00:48:00.168 --> 00:48:02.888 I got questions for you, and I don't know. I got to do taxes. 00:48:03.048 --> 00:48:04.928 Maybe you and I should connect up. 00:48:05.348 --> 00:48:09.948 I think you could maybe be a good accountant. I got complaints with my current 00:48:09.948 --> 00:48:10.688 accountant. Let me know. 00:48:10.768 --> 00:48:11.128 Uh-oh. 00:48:11.528 --> 00:48:13.408 Yeah. You know? Nice to hear from you, too. 00:48:13.748 --> 00:48:20.388 In a similar vein, John Spriggs in our Matrix chat suggested grease pencils on ceramic walls. 00:48:20.608 --> 00:48:25.128 You see, I should have went that direction instead of that permanent marker I was using. 00:48:25.288 --> 00:48:25.428 Yeah. 00:48:26.008 --> 00:48:27.288 Because now you've got to keep getting new showers. 00:48:27.568 --> 00:48:29.188 It's annoying. You've got to retile the whole thing. 00:48:30.668 --> 00:48:36.428 Neural P comes in with 6,000 sats. Happy 600. Here's to more BSD. 00:48:37.188 --> 00:48:37.888 Thank you. 00:48:38.668 --> 00:48:40.408 We're going to have to change the name of the show. 00:48:41.028 --> 00:48:42.108 BSD unplugged. 00:48:43.548 --> 00:48:46.568 Gentoo Netiquette came in with 5,000 sats. 00:48:47.728 --> 00:48:54.548 A BSD boost? I have my free BSD 6.2 install CDs in my hand as this goes out. 00:48:54.748 --> 00:48:57.608 Good luck and try not to go to BSD jail. 00:49:00.388 --> 00:49:05.828 Thank you. Thank you. Rotted Moods here with 10,000 sats. 00:49:07.048 --> 00:49:12.908 And all he says is live long and prosper. Thank you. Thank you. 00:49:14.328 --> 00:49:20.448 Nov comes in with 3,333 sats. No message, just the sats. 00:49:20.748 --> 00:49:21.408 Thank you very much. 00:49:21.568 --> 00:49:24.808 But 412 Linux boosted in with 8,000 sats. 00:49:27.328 --> 00:49:33.328 Congrats on 600. Thanks for putting in all the seen and unseen effort to make this show every week. 00:49:33.588 --> 00:49:36.048 I've listened to at least 500 of these episodes. 00:49:36.228 --> 00:49:36.348 Wow. 00:49:36.428 --> 00:49:38.808 Each week, it feels like hanging out with good friends. 00:49:38.968 --> 00:49:39.268 Thank you. 00:49:39.348 --> 00:49:41.208 Be proud of what you've accomplished. Well done. 00:49:41.408 --> 00:49:41.768 Thanks. 00:49:41.968 --> 00:49:42.148 Aw. 00:49:42.808 --> 00:49:47.808 I feel the Broadcom acquisition, they go on, of VMware has had a similar seismic 00:49:47.808 --> 00:49:49.768 change in many aspects of IT infrastructure. 00:49:50.008 --> 00:49:50.128 Yeah. 00:49:50.288 --> 00:49:54.208 One difference is that the change has opened up conversations regarding open software. 00:49:54.408 --> 00:49:55.888 And it seems to be opening the 00:49:55.888 --> 00:49:59.408 door for Proxmox. This has been great for Proxmox, which is good to see. 00:50:01.008 --> 00:50:03.888 Thank you, 412, something we don't talk much about, so I'm glad you got a chance 00:50:03.888 --> 00:50:05.288 to get that in there. It's nice to hear from you. 00:50:05.288 --> 00:50:09.628 Dex sword sent in 4,321 sats. 00:50:11.988 --> 00:50:16.608 Happy 600 boys and happy Sunday. Looking forward to 600 more cheers. 00:50:17.088 --> 00:50:24.388 Well, thank you, Dex. Good to hear from you. Cybeth's here with 10,000 sats. Happy 600 episodes. 00:50:25.248 --> 00:50:27.368 Sam H comes in with a row of ducks. 00:50:30.620 --> 00:50:32.980 Happy 600 from the Atlanta meetup. 00:50:33.060 --> 00:50:35.040 Hey, Atlanta meetup, thank you. 00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:42.500 And Soul Reaper follows that up with 6,666 sats. Hello from the Oakland CA meetup. 00:50:42.540 --> 00:50:50.220 Hello, Oakland! That's great. That's hilarious. And user 88 is here with 9,001 sats. 00:50:52.060 --> 00:50:54.080 Shout out from the Oakland crew. 00:50:54.620 --> 00:50:55.020 Nice. 00:50:55.420 --> 00:51:00.880 Gretton comes in with 5,000 sats. cheers from atl bit lab. 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.200 Yeah all right oh. 00:51:03.200 --> 00:51:13.040 We got this guy here a p pj producer jeff 6666 sets simple says woo 600. 00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:19.880 Woo thank you pj lray 741 i'll say the whole thing lray 741's here with 9000 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.720 one sets oh super happy to briefly speak to y'all in the mumble congrats on 00:51:25.720 --> 00:51:31.100 600 i look forward to continuing to supporting your originality and love you all. Including Drew. 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:32.620 Heck yeah. 00:51:33.160 --> 00:51:35.260 Thank you for being so awesome. I'll keep listening to the members feed. 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.000 Uh oh, now you can hear me mispronouncing. Oh no! 00:51:39.820 --> 00:51:46.200 Thank you. Very nice. Appreciate you very much. Thank you everybody who boosted into episode 600. 00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:50.800 That is all of the boosts above the 2000s at cutoff, but we keep all of them 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:51.860 in there. Appreciate you. 00:51:53.600 --> 00:51:59.020 And also a shout out to our sat streamers. 34 of you streamed sats as you listened 00:51:59.020 --> 00:52:00.540 to our last episode, and collectively, 00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:07.460 you helped us stack 58,490 sats just by streaming them as you listen, 00:52:07.540 --> 00:52:08.740 and we really appreciate you. 00:52:09.040 --> 00:52:13.460 Then when you combine that with our boosters this week, which we had 30 total, 00:52:13.680 --> 00:52:22.740 we stacked a grand total of 1,304,157,000 sats! Whatever it is! 00:52:25.120 --> 00:52:26.720 1.3 million. 00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.580 That's incredible. It really should be 1.6 because that doesn't include the 00:52:29.580 --> 00:52:32.480 manual McClane because I didn't get to that. So even better. 00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:32.940 Wow. 00:52:33.540 --> 00:52:34.180 That's wild. 00:52:34.540 --> 00:52:38.320 That's really great. Thank you. What a fantastic way to celebrate 600 episodes. 00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:43.640 And like I said earlier in the show, episode 600 is our down payment on just getting started. 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.580 We have 600 more to do, and we just want to make it better than ever. 00:52:47.060 --> 00:52:50.680 And it's your support between the booths and the memberships that have kept us going. 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.900 and really thank you everyone a big round of applause to everybody who supports 00:52:54.900 --> 00:52:58.580 the show either monetarily or through their time or through networking we really 00:52:58.580 --> 00:53:01.180 do appreciate it this round of applause is for you, 00:53:08.334 --> 00:53:12.154 If you'd like to boost in, you can do it with Fountain and Strike to get the sats. 00:53:12.634 --> 00:53:16.774 Those we generally have linked in the show notes. You can go to bitcoinwell.com 00:53:16.774 --> 00:53:20.054 slash jupiter if you want to buy some sats and send them directly to your self-hosted wallet. 00:53:21.094 --> 00:53:24.934 Or there's lots of links at podcastapps.com. Lots of ways to do it. 00:53:29.314 --> 00:53:31.794 All right, now it's time to talk about the FreeBSD Challenge. 00:53:31.894 --> 00:53:36.494 So I tried to collect all the booster feedback there. It sounds like KR is willing 00:53:36.494 --> 00:53:38.354 to try it on a pie, and I'm going to do that, too. 00:53:39.114 --> 00:53:42.454 Sire's going to benchmark Arch versus FreeBSD and boost on the results. 00:53:42.654 --> 00:53:45.754 Tomato is going to join us as well on the free side. 00:53:46.874 --> 00:53:50.534 And Blumenstrong emailed us about NixBSD. 00:53:50.674 --> 00:53:50.954 What? 00:53:51.334 --> 00:53:56.734 Which is an unofficial NixOS fork with a free BSD kernel. So I think this is where we have to start. 00:53:58.134 --> 00:54:00.554 Do we allow this or do we disqualify this? 00:54:00.754 --> 00:54:02.954 So the question is, what is considered FreeBSD? 00:54:02.954 --> 00:54:08.174 Yeah, I think if you only did this, it wouldn't count, but it could be bonus points on top. 00:54:08.794 --> 00:54:09.194 Okay. 00:54:09.494 --> 00:54:09.654 Right? 00:54:10.274 --> 00:54:11.154 I could go for that. 00:54:11.154 --> 00:54:14.574 Like, you should give, like, straight FreeBSD a go in some version or something more close to it. 00:54:15.434 --> 00:54:18.354 Okay, so I've done, I have a couple of things to try. 00:54:18.554 --> 00:54:21.974 We have two points and five-point categories, and I think this could be a five-point 00:54:21.974 --> 00:54:24.294 category. So I'll put it in the five-point category. 00:54:24.734 --> 00:54:30.894 All right, so it turns out that the FreeBSD wiki has a speedrun page. 00:54:31.014 --> 00:54:32.314 Oh, yeah, that's true. 00:54:32.314 --> 00:54:36.274 Yeah, and it's not something that seems like super popular, but it's a thing people do. 00:54:36.454 --> 00:54:37.214 Wait, this is a race? 00:54:37.474 --> 00:54:42.714 No, but they do have some like guidelines that I reviewed to help kind of structure 00:54:42.714 --> 00:54:44.454 the rules for this particular challenge. 00:54:44.594 --> 00:54:47.294 Because our hope is the audience will participate along with us, 00:54:48.034 --> 00:54:50.174 boost in or join the Mumba Room and tell us how it's going. 00:54:50.494 --> 00:54:53.434 So here's a couple of the rules. You boys are welcome to object because these 00:54:53.434 --> 00:54:55.734 are not firm yet. We're going to lock them in after we've reviewed them. 00:54:56.274 --> 00:55:01.074 So number one, your BSD install must be manual and unscripted. 00:55:01.674 --> 00:55:03.854 In other words, you ran through the installer. You didn't use, 00:55:03.874 --> 00:55:05.814 like, somebody else's thing to install it for you. 00:55:06.034 --> 00:55:10.594 Well, that gets me thinking, like, are we specifically doing FreeBSD or just the BSD? 00:55:10.594 --> 00:55:10.914 The BSD. 00:55:10.974 --> 00:55:12.794 Because some of them automate this, right? 00:55:13.054 --> 00:55:17.434 I think on the table right now, we're GhostBSD and FreeBSD. But I think FreeBSD 00:55:17.434 --> 00:55:19.394 should be, has to be looked at. 00:55:19.614 --> 00:55:19.774 Okay. 00:55:19.854 --> 00:55:22.194 Because particularly, we're looking at some of the recent innovations of FreeBSD. 00:55:22.254 --> 00:55:22.734 All right. 00:55:23.394 --> 00:55:27.274 They've done some nice stuff. So you got to do a regular install. 00:55:27.394 --> 00:55:30.454 You can't do, like, some script that auto-installs it for you or anything like that. 00:55:31.074 --> 00:55:36.774 So hardware can be virtual or bare metal. I think bare metal, we'll probably all try. 00:55:37.014 --> 00:55:41.254 But for the audience, I think we should totally allow virtual machines. That's allowed. 00:55:41.754 --> 00:55:43.974 It runs for two weeks. So it starts today. 00:55:44.854 --> 00:55:48.294 We do a check-in in 601 and a conclusion in 602. 00:55:49.618 --> 00:55:52.078 So people can kind of tell us what's working, what's not working. 00:55:52.298 --> 00:55:55.098 We can see the direction things are going. You know, if we need to make any 00:55:55.098 --> 00:55:56.038 amendments next episode. 00:55:57.018 --> 00:56:00.138 But I think we should come up with, if you bail from the challenge, 00:56:00.158 --> 00:56:02.238 there's a punishment. Like you have to do something. 00:56:03.358 --> 00:56:05.138 And I think we need, okay, you got, you already have an idea? 00:56:05.358 --> 00:56:07.418 Well, no, I'm thinking like what's considered bailing. 00:56:07.558 --> 00:56:09.038 Like if you can't get it working. 00:56:09.378 --> 00:56:12.438 Okay. Okay. Okay. But what if like you get it working and then you just don't 00:56:12.438 --> 00:56:14.038 really boot into it for the rest of the time? 00:56:14.418 --> 00:56:17.938 Here's the, here's the thing. So you have to, you have to stack a few points. 00:56:17.938 --> 00:56:20.778 So you get two points if you get it installed and get it on the internet. 00:56:21.238 --> 00:56:24.398 Both. Not just for two points to get installed and on the internet. 00:56:25.118 --> 00:56:28.998 Wait, this feels like a hint of how hard this might be. Oh, no. 00:56:29.358 --> 00:56:33.098 You get two points if you record audio from a working desktop session. 00:56:33.098 --> 00:56:36.258 So we could play a clip of you saying, hey, guys, this is so-and-so. 00:56:37.018 --> 00:56:40.398 I'm on my FreeBSD desktop. I recorded this in Audacity. And then you make that 00:56:40.398 --> 00:56:43.678 a flack and you send it into the show somehow. It'll send us a link or something. 00:56:44.338 --> 00:56:48.038 You do it. We do it. We all see if we can get recorded audio from a free BSD 00:56:48.038 --> 00:56:50.118 desktop. You get two points for that. 00:56:51.178 --> 00:56:55.278 If you can get one server quote or like service, like an application that's 00:56:55.278 --> 00:56:57.938 accessible via the LAN, that's two points. 00:56:58.658 --> 00:57:01.838 Okay. So those are the two point categories. Install and get it online. 00:57:02.158 --> 00:57:04.318 Record audio of yourself from a working desktop. 00:57:05.698 --> 00:57:09.218 Get something like a server, an application that's accessible via the LAN. 00:57:10.018 --> 00:57:11.978 That gets you, each one of those will get you two points. 00:57:12.818 --> 00:57:16.918 then we have the five point category now 00:57:16.918 --> 00:57:19.878 for five points if you can get an app running inside 00:57:19.878 --> 00:57:22.758 pod man or jails if you 00:57:22.758 --> 00:57:27.338 install and get a working firewall if you can get tail scale working on bsd 00:57:27.338 --> 00:57:32.858 you can get five points for each one of these and if you try out two other bsds 00:57:32.858 --> 00:57:38.938 or like two combos of bsds like a net bsd and a free bsd or ghost bsd and free 00:57:38.938 --> 00:57:42.578 bsd and another set of five points if you try out Nick's BSD. 00:57:44.067 --> 00:57:48.067 We'll publish these in the show notes as Markdown. There'll be a list in the 00:57:48.067 --> 00:57:51.947 show notes. So everybody can go to linuxunplugged.com slash 600, see these categories. 00:57:52.487 --> 00:57:58.547 Does all of this seem pretty agreeable and follow up? I wanted a couple of measurable things. 00:57:58.667 --> 00:57:58.807 Yeah. 00:58:00.667 --> 00:58:02.887 Didn't want to go too far that everybody couldn't participate. 00:58:03.607 --> 00:58:05.987 And I think we'll still get some good experience. You can always take it further, 00:58:05.987 --> 00:58:08.427 of course. How do you feel, Brentley, about this? 00:58:08.587 --> 00:58:13.147 I feel like I know the least about what I'm getting into at this point. 00:58:13.347 --> 00:58:13.507 Good. 00:58:13.507 --> 00:58:16.367 I thought I knew. Now I feel like I have no idea. 00:58:16.507 --> 00:58:19.987 Good. All right. I like that. So I think this kind of incorporates. 00:58:20.307 --> 00:58:25.327 I would add maybe, should there be a component, and we could discuss it on the 00:58:25.327 --> 00:58:29.107 show, but like, you know, if you did something not listed here, 00:58:29.227 --> 00:58:30.847 but you, can you argue for some points? 00:58:30.987 --> 00:58:34.307 You know, like, oh, hey, I ended up taking this route, but I think it represents, 00:58:34.567 --> 00:58:35.387 that should be a two-pointer. 00:58:35.387 --> 00:58:38.087 Okay. A two-pointer? I was going to say, would you be okay with a two-pointer? 00:58:39.067 --> 00:58:41.167 Like, we could have an extra credit to be decided. 00:58:41.407 --> 00:58:41.587 Yeah. 00:58:42.247 --> 00:58:43.087 We could debate it. 00:58:43.627 --> 00:58:45.907 No, it should be a five-pointer if you're going to debate for it. 00:58:46.467 --> 00:58:46.627 No. 00:58:46.827 --> 00:58:48.207 Oh, there might be both versions. 00:58:48.427 --> 00:58:50.687 Depending on how much you need to debate for the points. 00:58:50.887 --> 00:58:54.907 Too. Yeah, hold on, hold on. All right. We've got to come up with a punishment, though, if you fail. 00:58:55.887 --> 00:58:59.187 So if you don't get more than five points or something total. 00:58:59.567 --> 00:59:04.047 There has to be a threshold and then a punishment, but this is the part I'm not going to. 00:59:04.107 --> 00:59:08.247 Yeah, I think if you can't get to a system that you're using for something, right? 00:59:08.367 --> 00:59:11.187 Like, okay, maybe desktop didn't work, but you at least got it serving something 00:59:11.187 --> 00:59:14.187 you got on a jellyfish. Some sort of thing that you would use Linux for, 00:59:14.267 --> 00:59:17.047 but it's running on FreeBSD, or you set up ZFS, or, you know, whatever. 00:59:17.527 --> 00:59:21.707 Or you got, like, a desktop going that was, you could run stuff and play. 00:59:21.987 --> 00:59:25.447 If you don't get at least one of those, it seems like you didn't actually try it. 00:59:25.727 --> 00:59:25.947 Yeah. 00:59:26.267 --> 00:59:29.027 So, wall of shame, basically, is what you're looking to put together. Is that? 00:59:29.127 --> 00:59:30.167 I don't know. I don't know. 00:59:30.187 --> 00:59:31.207 You got to run Windows for a week? 00:59:31.567 --> 00:59:31.887 Oh. 00:59:32.887 --> 00:59:33.967 But that's so much work. 00:59:34.367 --> 00:59:35.407 That's why it's a punishment. 00:59:35.527 --> 00:59:38.027 You just have to install Windows. It's punishment enough. 00:59:38.807 --> 00:59:44.427 Hmm. Hmm. Or you got to use like office or something for a week, like office 365. 00:59:45.307 --> 00:59:47.487 I know there's probably some people listening that already have to do that though. 00:59:47.927 --> 00:59:49.267 You can't use dark mode. 00:59:51.307 --> 00:59:54.327 I don't use dark mode as much anymore though. So it wouldn't be as big of a. 00:59:54.407 --> 00:59:56.627 Oh yeah. You know, had you not said that. 00:59:56.947 --> 01:00:01.107 That's true. I could have just rolled with it. That's true. No, 01:00:01.147 --> 01:00:01.927 we need a good punishment. 01:00:03.007 --> 01:00:07.967 You know, you have to set your system font to comic sans for a week. 01:00:08.387 --> 01:00:10.027 That's not bad. What do you think of that was? 01:00:10.187 --> 01:00:10.767 Yeah, okay. 01:00:11.887 --> 01:00:13.507 So if you fail the challenge... 01:00:13.507 --> 01:00:15.147 But it's got to be like a system-wide thing. 01:00:15.267 --> 01:00:16.047 Yeah, system-wide. 01:00:16.667 --> 01:00:19.287 So if you fail the challenge, so if you fail to stack more than five points... 01:00:21.348 --> 01:00:24.408 You've got to set your whole system to Comic Sans. So once you engage in the 01:00:24.408 --> 01:00:29.148 challenge, you need at least five or more points, or you're going Comic Sans for a week. 01:00:29.508 --> 01:00:32.048 I could see PJ loving this one. 01:00:32.868 --> 01:00:37.548 I think I could do—let's see if we've got some consensus in the Mumber Room. 01:00:37.808 --> 01:00:38.988 Mumber Room, I'm coming up there. 01:00:39.168 --> 01:00:42.528 To be clear, your daily driver must be Comic Sans. 01:00:42.708 --> 01:00:45.928 How do we feel about these rules and challenges? Anybody have any suggestions? 01:00:46.268 --> 01:00:50.848 Everybody okay with this? This is your last—basically speak now, or you're roped in? 01:00:50.848 --> 01:00:53.188 This is easy. I can get this done tonight, guys. 01:00:53.968 --> 01:00:57.168 Okay, all right. All right. Okay, all right. 01:00:57.168 --> 01:00:59.908 I think anything with a Linux user land is straight up cheating. 01:01:00.148 --> 01:01:02.408 I love the ideas of them, but that's not BSD. 01:01:02.788 --> 01:01:07.008 Right, okay. Yeah. Yeah, you can play around with the Linux compatibility to 01:01:07.008 --> 01:01:08.568 see if it works, but you can't solve. 01:01:09.148 --> 01:01:12.008 You're trying to get it to work on BSD by using that. Yeah, I agree. 01:01:12.528 --> 01:01:17.508 And punishment-wise, if you bail, you have to install Windows on bare metal 01:01:17.508 --> 01:01:20.068 and get your Linux environment running in WSL2. 01:01:20.068 --> 01:01:23.148 Jeez you guys are I. 01:01:23.148 --> 01:01:28.768 Second that right on alright alright. 01:01:30.801 --> 01:01:33.281 Windows on bare metal. Jeez, that's what I get for going up there and asking 01:01:33.281 --> 01:01:34.361 them. All right, so there we go. 01:01:34.461 --> 01:01:38.581 So if you fail, you got to go get yourself a Windows ISO from Microsoft, 01:01:38.601 --> 01:01:40.321 which is kind of a PETA, but doable. 01:01:41.721 --> 01:01:44.021 And you got to put it on bare metal. You don't got to activate it. 01:01:44.081 --> 01:01:44.861 You don't got to pay for it. 01:01:45.081 --> 01:01:46.581 But you do have to switch it to Comic Sans. 01:01:46.861 --> 01:01:48.581 And you have to switch to Comic Sans. Should we add that? 01:01:48.961 --> 01:01:49.821 Yeah, I think so. 01:01:51.081 --> 01:01:52.341 All right, and you have to switch to Comic Sans. 01:01:52.341 --> 01:01:53.701 Just to remind you of the paint. 01:01:53.801 --> 01:01:56.841 And we're going to want to see a screenshot of the Windows Comic Sans desktop. 01:01:56.841 --> 01:01:59.981 Oh, I would like to see a screenshot. You're right. Thank you, Wes. 01:02:00.901 --> 01:02:05.601 Good catch. Okay, so if this is all viable, what we would like is for you to, 01:02:05.941 --> 01:02:09.821 you know, over the next week, get FreeBSD going on a system, 01:02:09.861 --> 01:02:15.361 and then join the mumble room or boost in with your progress and let us know how it's going for you. 01:02:16.741 --> 01:02:19.861 Because next week is essentially our chance to do a check-in, 01:02:20.061 --> 01:02:23.421 do any course correction, or kind of make early predictions if somebody's going 01:02:23.421 --> 01:02:26.661 to bail, which seems totally possible. 01:02:27.041 --> 01:02:29.521 Listener Jeff says, I'm just going to switch to Comic Sans right now. 01:02:30.061 --> 01:02:36.101 Jeff. Jeff, come on. Come on. All right. So there you go. That's all locked 01:02:36.101 --> 01:02:37.601 in. And good luck, everybody. 01:02:38.901 --> 01:02:42.761 Now, before we get out of here, we have a pick. And I don't know which one of 01:02:42.761 --> 01:02:45.261 you boys found this one. And I'll be honest. 01:02:45.461 --> 01:02:47.561 Right now, I'm going to tell you, I have not tried this. 01:02:47.981 --> 01:02:54.221 But it's called Durr-Im-VS Code. Durr-Im-VS Code. 01:02:54.321 --> 01:02:55.161 Do you have any guess? 01:02:56.601 --> 01:03:02.681 And it unclutters your .profile for, I'm a guess, VS Code, but I don't actually 01:03:02.681 --> 01:03:04.281 know. Did you find this one I'm guessing, Brent? 01:03:04.421 --> 01:03:07.501 No, I don't think it was me. It's definitely a Wes thing. Come on. 01:03:07.661 --> 01:03:08.461 Oh, you found. Okay. 01:03:08.581 --> 01:03:10.981 I just saw it mentioned in some discussions I was reading. 01:03:11.441 --> 01:03:14.341 Since when are you a VS Code guy? Are you a VS Code guy? 01:03:14.381 --> 01:03:15.641 Well, I use it for closure things. 01:03:16.081 --> 01:03:18.181 Since when am I a dear imp guy? 01:03:18.441 --> 01:03:21.181 I use a lot of Vim and NeoVim too, but. 01:03:21.897 --> 01:03:26.297 for full-on interactive environment. I don't actually use this. 01:03:26.717 --> 01:03:28.997 There's a lot of good... Durham, in general, is great. 01:03:29.297 --> 01:03:31.037 Look at this strong pick for $600. 01:03:31.457 --> 01:03:33.897 It wasn't even in the dock. I didn't know you were... 01:03:36.117 --> 01:03:38.557 You found it. I thought you'd like it, so I just went with it. 01:03:38.657 --> 01:03:39.537 A boost in your picks. 01:03:42.157 --> 01:03:48.757 It's an overture to folks that you can use Durham plus Nix in various ways to 01:03:48.757 --> 01:03:50.397 have Nix shells. Really nice. 01:03:50.597 --> 01:03:50.997 Durham. 01:03:50.997 --> 01:03:53.737 Will handle just like automatically set it up for you if you like that kind 01:03:53.737 --> 01:03:58.497 of thing but duranv is useful for all kinds of projects so even if you don't 01:03:58.497 --> 01:04:02.077 want to mess with nix at all you can still use duranv and uh you know if you're 01:04:02.077 --> 01:04:04.257 using vs code here's a nice integration for that. 01:04:04.257 --> 01:04:07.257 And you know what more power to you if you're using vs code right 01:04:07.257 --> 01:04:10.317 more power to you i suppose 01:04:10.317 --> 01:04:15.657 i don't know if we made a i don't know if we made this a pick yet but since 01:04:15.657 --> 01:04:19.337 uh we're kind of just flying by the seat of our pants for episode 600 i'm going 01:04:19.337 --> 01:04:25.097 to give a shout out to an app that's only useful if you use flat packs and so 01:04:25.097 --> 01:04:27.797 if you don't use flat packs you can just ignore me for a second and i'll just 01:04:27.797 --> 01:04:30.037 make it real quick it's called warehouse i. 01:04:30.037 --> 01:04:32.777 Thought app images were the official new package format of the show. 01:04:32.777 --> 01:04:37.657 Yeah good uh lets you manage your installed flat packs uh roll back to unwanted 01:04:37.657 --> 01:04:42.417 updates which has happened to me once before that is nice pin runtimes and mask 01:04:42.417 --> 01:04:44.557 flat packs you can filter data. 01:04:44.797 --> 01:04:48.937 You can check for updates. You can take snapshots of the app and user data. 01:04:49.237 --> 01:04:52.697 You can override the source, install from a remote source. 01:04:53.597 --> 01:04:58.057 Also responsive UI design. So there you go. It's called Warehouse. 01:04:58.597 --> 01:05:03.317 It's basically like a standalone Flatpak GUI from what I'm guessing with advanced features. 01:05:03.497 --> 01:05:04.057 Yeah, kind of, yeah. 01:05:04.457 --> 01:05:04.717 That's sweet. 01:05:04.837 --> 01:05:08.237 And you combine that with something like what is it, FlatSeal? 01:05:08.737 --> 01:05:10.277 You know, so you can manage the permissions. 01:05:10.417 --> 01:05:10.917 Very nice. 01:05:11.117 --> 01:05:13.857 It is really pretty slick. It is, 01:05:14.909 --> 01:05:17.849 Well, that brings us to the end of episode 600, boys. 01:05:18.189 --> 01:05:18.949 We made it. 01:05:19.089 --> 01:05:21.769 I went pretty quick. Look at that mobile room. That is amazing. 01:05:21.989 --> 01:05:24.389 I wish I could screenshot that 01:05:24.389 --> 01:05:27.229 and make it the album art. That is really something pretty impressive. 01:05:27.629 --> 01:05:30.989 It's incredible the server is actually holding up. If you've been listening 01:05:30.989 --> 01:05:36.029 for a long time or you've just begun, we really appreciate you tuning in and catching the show. 01:05:36.149 --> 01:05:40.629 You are always welcome to join us. We generally do it live on Sundays. 01:05:40.969 --> 01:05:43.669 We've recently been doing it a little bit earlier, but we always keep it up 01:05:43.669 --> 01:05:46.989 to date at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash calendar, and we mark it pending in 01:05:46.989 --> 01:05:48.529 the podcasting 2.0 apps as well. 01:05:48.789 --> 01:05:51.089 So you can join that matrix chat, you can join that mumble room, 01:05:51.089 --> 01:05:55.629 or you can just tune in at jblive.fm and just listen to anything that supports an ice-cast stream. 01:05:56.449 --> 01:06:00.669 And it's pretty simple. And then, of course, the show releases Sunday evening our time. 01:06:01.529 --> 01:06:03.689 And take a look and see if the transcript's working for you. 01:06:04.429 --> 01:06:07.629 If it's not working, I don't need a ton of app messages. 01:06:08.889 --> 01:06:11.829 I don't know, maybe a GitHub issue? I don't know the right way to report it. 01:06:12.249 --> 01:06:16.929 we should have a system for that we really should but you know we would like 01:06:16.929 --> 01:06:20.369 to know if there's problems but it's new take a look at the transcripts and let us know maybe. 01:06:20.369 --> 01:06:23.309 Put it in the LUP feedback room but don't tag anyone to start and we'll. 01:06:23.309 --> 01:06:26.989 Check on it there's a matrix LUP feedback room that could work you could also 01:06:26.989 --> 01:06:29.329 boost in your feedback on it and of course we want to hear how it's going, 01:06:30.089 --> 01:06:34.929 with the BSD challenge good luck everybody this should be a fun one and of course 01:06:34.929 --> 01:06:39.269 links to what we talked about today are over at linuxunplugged.com slash 600, 01:06:39.929 --> 01:06:44.409 and there you'll probably what do we really have i guess we could we should 01:06:44.409 --> 01:06:51.489 probably link to a ghost bsd i'll link to to the speed challenges wiki page that's kind of cool also. 01:06:51.489 --> 01:06:54.069 The bsd what is it the book the manual the what do they call it. 01:06:54.069 --> 01:06:58.689 Oh yeah we the apps we got we also right here in studio got the absolute free bsd book classic. 01:06:58.689 --> 01:07:00.189 By michael w lucas yep. 01:07:00.189 --> 01:07:01.449 It is a brick. 01:07:01.449 --> 01:07:05.209 It is we'll be reading that this weekend right that's what we're doing i was. 01:07:05.209 --> 01:07:08.029 Thinking we'd use one of those new fancy ai tools to turn it into an audiobook. 01:07:08.329 --> 01:07:11.369 There you go. You know what, boys? Actually, we got to get out of here because 01:07:11.369 --> 01:07:15.389 we have our own meetup and party to get to right here in the Pacific Northwest. 01:07:15.729 --> 01:07:19.689 Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Linux Unplugged. 01:07:19.969 --> 01:07:23.989 We hope you'll tune in next week and the week after and the week after that. 01:07:24.269 --> 01:07:27.929 And we'll see you right back here next Tuesday, as in Sunday.
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