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25 Years of LinuxFest Northwest

Apr 27, 2025
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We're live from LinuxFest Northwest 2025. We're joined by guests from the audience, try our hand at Linux trivia and share our experiences from the best fest in the West.

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WEBVTT 00:00:11.477 --> 00:00:15.977 Hello friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.317 --> 00:00:16.897 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.077 --> 00:00:17.757 And my name is Brent. 00:00:17.957 --> 00:00:23.777 Hello Brentley. Hello Wes. Well today on the show we are live at LinuxFest Northwest. 00:00:23.777 --> 00:00:26.337 We'll tell you about our experiences, we'll share some stories, 00:00:26.537 --> 00:00:30.417 we'll talk to some guests, we'll do some trivia, and a lot more. 00:00:30.617 --> 00:00:35.457 But before we go any further, I want to say hello to our live in-person lug. 00:00:35.617 --> 00:00:38.297 Hello everybody at LinuxFest Northwest, thank you for being here. 00:00:40.817 --> 00:00:46.637 We've got a good crowd, and we've got a lot to get into, so let me start by 00:00:46.637 --> 00:00:48.577 saying good morning to our friends at TailScale. 00:00:48.677 --> 00:00:50.617 TailScale.com slash unplugged. 00:00:50.737 --> 00:00:53.437 The easiest way to connect devices, wherever they are, 00:00:53.857 --> 00:00:58.957 let me tell you, let me tell you, wherever they are, we have, in the room right now, 00:00:59.337 --> 00:01:02.117 created our own isolated LAN, and I was able to 00:01:02.117 --> 00:01:04.877 pick up the gear from the studio which talks to the 00:01:04.877 --> 00:01:07.617 tail net ip's of everything we set it all down in 00:01:07.617 --> 00:01:11.277 here and once we got the lan online everything started 00:01:11.277 --> 00:01:14.397 talking even my steam deck which i used to like trigger the soundboard 00:01:14.397 --> 00:01:18.457 everything just started talking it doesn't matter that we yesterday we're in 00:01:18.457 --> 00:01:24.137 the rv and today we're in a classroom tail scale works everywhere and we're 00:01:24.137 --> 00:01:28.577 yeah even we're bridging off of wi-fi it creates a flat mesh network protected 00:01:28.577 --> 00:01:33.237 that's right and if you go to tailscale.com slash unplugged, 00:01:33.257 --> 00:01:36.437 you can get it for free up to 100 devices and three users. 00:01:36.677 --> 00:01:39.457 That's not a trial, no credit card required. That is the plan. 00:01:39.637 --> 00:01:42.297 Thousands of companies and thousands of listeners use it. 00:01:42.377 --> 00:01:45.437 It's privacy for everyone and every single organization. 00:01:45.637 --> 00:01:49.517 And if you haven't tried it out yet, there's probably something wrong with you. So go fix it. 00:01:49.837 --> 00:01:52.337 tailscale.com slash unplugged. 00:01:55.397 --> 00:01:59.737 I think I want to start the show right off the top by saying thank Thank you, 00:01:59.857 --> 00:02:01.637 everybody, who helped us get these headsets. 00:02:01.757 --> 00:02:05.237 We've been loving them. They worked out really great. Big upgrade. Big upgrade. 00:02:05.437 --> 00:02:08.497 And it's so nice for us to have room. I can reach across and hit the boys now, 00:02:08.517 --> 00:02:10.717 and I don't have to worry about the microphone stand in the way, 00:02:10.817 --> 00:02:13.037 which was super annoying. 00:02:13.037 --> 00:02:16.637 You know, I'm excited. We got to drive up here, right, because it's kind of our local fest. 00:02:16.757 --> 00:02:21.337 But I'm excited for more on the road because more so than anything else, 00:02:21.497 --> 00:02:24.137 those microphone stands is always what gets me flagged by the TSA. 00:02:24.237 --> 00:02:25.637 So I think the headsets will be a little smoother. 00:02:25.737 --> 00:02:29.917 That is true. I always wonder why these are in our bag. So yesterday we did 00:02:29.917 --> 00:02:33.757 the live event which we will have linked in the show notes and it's also at 00:02:33.757 --> 00:02:37.477 extras show if you just want to catch the highlights from day one of Linux Fest Northwest. 00:02:37.817 --> 00:02:40.977 We did that from Lady Joops worked awesome running off solar. 00:02:41.277 --> 00:02:45.757 We had people swing by and I think maybe we start there is. 00:02:46.577 --> 00:02:49.397 yesterday it felt really busy raise your hands did 00:02:49.397 --> 00:02:52.217 yesterday feel busy to you yay nay yeah pretty busy yeah i'm 00:02:52.217 --> 00:02:55.177 pretty everyone's raising their hand it looks like i was surprised 00:02:55.177 --> 00:02:58.317 and i think you know obviously in part the good weather helps people i 00:02:58.317 --> 00:03:01.017 mean it's been beautiful and it's just right it's not too hot it's not 00:03:01.017 --> 00:03:05.937 too cold but when we finished our live stream yesterday i i step out the door 00:03:05.937 --> 00:03:09.397 of the rv and the grass is just full of people because we're next to like a 00:03:09.397 --> 00:03:13.577 nice kind of grassy area and everybody's out there eating cookies and sandwiches 00:03:13.577 --> 00:03:18.757 and emma from system 76 and my wife Adia went out and got over 100 sandwiches 00:03:18.757 --> 00:03:20.597 from a local Bellingham sandwich shop, 00:03:21.137 --> 00:03:23.877 brought them back, and then got a bunch of cookies and beverages and stuff like that. 00:03:23.937 --> 00:03:27.597 And it was really low-key and easy, maybe not quite as fancy as a barbecue, 00:03:27.957 --> 00:03:30.057 way less work for us, which was really nice. 00:03:30.417 --> 00:03:33.497 And then I just got to enjoy a sandwich after the show, which was a nice twist. 00:03:33.937 --> 00:03:39.177 And, you know, for us, the first day, we didn't really make it beyond just the socialization stuff. 00:03:39.397 --> 00:03:43.377 Hardly, yeah. I mean, Brent, we just sent Brent in to try to even get into some 00:03:43.377 --> 00:03:45.437 of the talks, and he could hardly get in. 00:03:46.517 --> 00:03:49.657 I didn't really even make it in I got it to like 00:03:49.657 --> 00:03:52.837 the central courtyard And got stopped by a bunch of our lovely listeners 00:03:52.837 --> 00:03:57.017 So thank you for stopping me And we got some on-site interviews And then I had 00:03:57.017 --> 00:04:01.677 to use Jeff to like Plow through people to get me into Carl's talk About System 00:04:01.677 --> 00:04:06.977 76's cosmic release And it was so packed That we only had like the two feet 00:04:06.977 --> 00:04:09.717 past the door And I was like there's no way. 00:04:09.717 --> 00:04:15.377 Next year we should be back in the bigger space So that will be We'll have the new building again. 00:04:16.717 --> 00:04:20.257 And this is the 25th year. So it's also kind of a special year. 00:04:20.357 --> 00:04:24.657 It's the 25th year of LinuxFest. And they tried to acknowledge some of the original 00:04:24.657 --> 00:04:27.897 creators of LinuxFest last night at the end of the fest. And they had special 00:04:27.897 --> 00:04:32.017 tie-dye uniforms on for all the original creators walking around. That was really cool. 00:04:32.757 --> 00:04:37.797 And I don't know if any of you caught this, but when Hadiyah, 00:04:37.877 --> 00:04:41.777 my wife, and Emma from System76 went out to get sandwiches yesterday, 00:04:41.777 --> 00:04:44.777 They also randomly picked up a birthday cake. 00:04:46.164 --> 00:04:48.924 It wasn't anybody's birthday, but they thought, you know, an event this big. 00:04:49.024 --> 00:04:49.424 You never know. 00:04:49.544 --> 00:04:50.764 It's probably going to be somebody's birthday. 00:04:50.984 --> 00:04:52.304 Statistically. Yeah, we talk about math a lot. 00:04:52.304 --> 00:04:54.284 We talk about math all the time. Yeah, the birthday paradox. 00:04:55.904 --> 00:04:59.964 And that's a pre-show reference. So they bought this birthday cake, 00:05:00.044 --> 00:05:04.304 and then they went around, and I think they found somebody. It was their 21st birthday, right? Yeah. 00:05:04.544 --> 00:05:07.284 And they were just floored that somebody had a birthday cake for them. 00:05:07.304 --> 00:05:09.124 Like, what? Really? Made their day. 00:05:09.984 --> 00:05:11.924 They're here at Linux Fest, and somebody says, happy birthday. 00:05:11.924 --> 00:05:14.744 Here's a birthday cake. What? So that was pretty neat. 00:05:16.164 --> 00:05:20.684 And sort of, I think this year's felt kind of the most fun in a way. 00:05:21.064 --> 00:05:26.084 It feels, I think, the closest to sort of the pre-COVID energy. 00:05:26.264 --> 00:05:29.364 You know, like the fest you remember before all of the trials and tribulations 00:05:29.364 --> 00:05:33.184 and building and timing changes and all the hard work and years of effort now 00:05:33.184 --> 00:05:35.004 to get to where we are today. 00:05:35.904 --> 00:05:40.264 It finally feels a little bit like it did when I first showed up in like, I don't know, 2010. 00:05:40.584 --> 00:05:43.724 Yeah, I agree. What did you think about not having a booth this year? 00:05:43.944 --> 00:05:48.464 That was a bit different. I think, well, we didn't get inside as much. 00:05:48.564 --> 00:05:49.324 So that was the downside. 00:05:49.504 --> 00:05:54.124 But the plus side is, I think it did give us, maybe it didn't show in how long 00:05:54.124 --> 00:05:57.704 it took us to get going today, but it did give us a little more time and space 00:05:57.704 --> 00:05:59.604 to work out some of the kinks in our setup. 00:06:00.784 --> 00:06:03.364 Yeah, and not having, so one of the things when you're in a classroom, 00:06:03.664 --> 00:06:05.404 we're here for our scheduled set of time. 00:06:05.884 --> 00:06:10.164 So we have to get in after the last person set up, and then we have to get out 00:06:10.164 --> 00:06:12.004 before the next person. Thankfully, the next person is you. 00:06:12.184 --> 00:06:12.564 That's true. 00:06:13.064 --> 00:06:15.084 I'll be gracious. We're going to make that guy wait a little bit. 00:06:15.544 --> 00:06:16.804 But it's that is trickier. 00:06:16.864 --> 00:06:19.704 Whereas when when you're in the RV you can just set up in the morning You're 00:06:19.704 --> 00:06:24.344 set up all day long, and that's super nice But what the downside was is we didn't 00:06:24.344 --> 00:06:28.084 quite make it in as much so we'll have to make up for some of that today but 00:06:28.084 --> 00:06:29.944 yeah, I've really enjoyed it and I, 00:06:32.422 --> 00:06:35.702 I'm ready for it to be over two at the same time. We stayed out late the last 00:06:35.702 --> 00:06:37.382 couple of nights, so I'm a little worn down. 00:06:37.602 --> 00:06:40.242 Yeah, an excellent post-fest social last night, I think. 00:06:40.302 --> 00:06:43.642 Yes, we did. But two nights in a row, I stayed out a little later than I should have. 00:06:44.642 --> 00:06:48.922 That means if in the next clip, if I don't seem like I'm on my game, 00:06:49.022 --> 00:06:53.802 it's totally because I was out partying, we had a listener who's also a host 00:06:53.802 --> 00:06:55.742 of his own podcast. He'll do his introduction in just a moment. 00:06:55.902 --> 00:07:00.862 But he's been going around, and he's been doing Linux trivia and scoring people. 00:07:01.402 --> 00:07:05.282 And the guy does it all in his head. He does the whole scoring and everything 00:07:05.282 --> 00:07:08.462 in his head as he's going around. And he does the fact checking and the checking. 00:07:08.882 --> 00:07:13.122 It's pretty fun. And so we had him stop by and quiz Wes and I, 00:07:13.182 --> 00:07:16.302 because Brent, you already took the test once, crushed it. 00:07:16.602 --> 00:07:17.162 Thank you. 00:07:17.242 --> 00:07:19.002 Beat everybody until other people played the game. 00:07:20.222 --> 00:07:21.342 That's why you go first. 00:07:21.502 --> 00:07:22.002 Yeah, that's right. 00:07:22.022 --> 00:07:22.862 You get the first high score. 00:07:23.022 --> 00:07:27.022 So let's see how Wes and I do on our live Linux trivia at LinuxFest Northwest. 00:07:27.562 --> 00:07:31.342 Hey, I'm James. I'm here with my show, the Linux Prepper podcast. 00:07:32.182 --> 00:07:38.022 I created a trivia challenge yesterday that almost a ton of people did as singles and as doubles. 00:07:38.222 --> 00:07:42.802 So I thought, Chris and Wes, you'd do it today and potentially take the leaderboard. 00:07:42.862 --> 00:07:44.722 Or really embarrass ourselves. 00:07:44.922 --> 00:07:47.562 Brent did it yesterday. So the benchmark is to do better than Brent. 00:07:47.702 --> 00:07:50.002 But I'm going up against some serious heavyweights, aren't we? 00:07:50.122 --> 00:07:52.082 I hope you both can do better than just me. 00:07:52.622 --> 00:07:55.522 Otherwise, we have a real problem on this podcast. Yeah. Okay. 00:07:56.562 --> 00:08:00.682 If you're including the singles and the doubles, then you're further down the list. Oh. 00:08:01.342 --> 00:08:04.582 You know, I was tied for second when I finished, but then that was early in 00:08:04.582 --> 00:08:07.302 the day, and a bunch of people came and beat the pans off me. Yes. 00:08:07.702 --> 00:08:09.882 And we only just switched to last year, right? No. 00:08:11.842 --> 00:08:15.342 All right. We're ready. We're ready. All right. So this is the Do You Know Linux 00:08:15.342 --> 00:08:17.462 challenge from yesterday. If you want to do the one from today, 00:08:17.622 --> 00:08:20.242 you can come by the booth and do it, because anyone in the room can do it. 00:08:20.402 --> 00:08:23.622 It's an open thing. So that's why I'm not going to say that one on the air. Homework. 00:08:23.982 --> 00:08:27.602 All right. What are the rules? The rules, yes. So the rules are, 00:08:27.642 --> 00:08:31.362 I'll give you questions. You can say pass at any time. We will move on. 00:08:32.582 --> 00:08:36.102 Otherwise, just answer to the best of your ability. And some of the questions 00:08:36.102 --> 00:08:38.662 are open questions, which means you can just rattle off answers. 00:08:39.102 --> 00:08:41.622 And usually around 10 seconds, people kind of run out of steam. 00:08:41.842 --> 00:08:45.082 And if that's the case, I'll give you another question. Okay. 00:08:45.442 --> 00:08:49.182 And at the end of 60 seconds, that's the score you get. So every answer is a 00:08:49.182 --> 00:08:53.062 point. Okay. All right. Yeah? Okay. Don't mess it up, boys. Okay, I'm ready. 00:08:53.782 --> 00:08:56.482 Do you mind doing the little timing? Oh, I could do the timing. 00:08:56.482 --> 00:08:58.182 This is about macOS, right? Yeah, macOS. 00:08:58.682 --> 00:09:01.222 Get your HFS ready. Let me know when you want me to start. I'll count down. 00:09:01.302 --> 00:09:03.242 Here we go. You ready, boys? Everybody's ready? Ready. 00:09:03.422 --> 00:09:07.522 Three, two, one, start. Who created the Linux kernel? 00:09:07.962 --> 00:09:13.202 Linus Torvalds. Ubuntu is based on? Debian. NixOS is considered a what distribution? Immutable. 00:09:13.622 --> 00:09:17.222 The recursive acronym GNU means what? GNU is not Linux. Unix. 00:09:18.242 --> 00:09:20.742 How many projects can you name that are maintained by Red Hat? 00:09:22.802 --> 00:09:25.742 OpenShift. Podman. Project Stellaris. Podman. 00:09:27.182 --> 00:09:32.102 What else? Fedora, of course. Sure. RHEL, of course. CentOS. 00:09:32.422 --> 00:09:34.122 CentOS would be another one, of course. 00:09:34.922 --> 00:09:37.602 Did we say OpenShift? I don't know if we said OpenShift. Yes, we did. 00:09:37.982 --> 00:09:41.442 Pipewire, maybe? Pipewire is another one. FWAPD, for that matter, 00:09:41.582 --> 00:09:43.022 as well, would be another one. 00:09:43.582 --> 00:09:47.902 FWAPD and all of the services around that as well. A bunch of automotive stuff, 00:09:47.902 --> 00:09:49.622 I'm not quite clear. Automotive Linux. 00:09:50.102 --> 00:09:53.142 Do you want to move on? Automotive Linux? No, I don't think I'm done yet. 00:09:53.782 --> 00:09:57.482 The RHEL update server is another project that they maintain, 00:09:57.602 --> 00:09:59.242 the RHEL satellite server. 00:10:00.102 --> 00:10:03.222 Okay, now I think I'm done. Five seconds. UUtils will replace what? 00:10:05.185 --> 00:10:10.265 U-Utils? Zero. Core Utils? That's it. U-Utils replaces Core Utils? Yeah. 00:10:10.885 --> 00:10:14.745 Is that the whole trivia? No. Oh, okay, okay. You want to do another minute? 00:10:14.865 --> 00:10:17.085 Well, yeah, man. Wait, what was their score in this minute? Because that's the 00:10:17.085 --> 00:10:18.225 official score. We'll have to go back and check. 00:10:18.405 --> 00:10:20.745 Oh, okay. There's math to do. I thought there was more. Okay. 00:10:20.945 --> 00:10:25.065 All right. I'm good to go. All right. Let's do another minute to finish the questions off. 00:10:25.645 --> 00:10:29.005 All right. This is the one where people were just... No wonder Carl did great. 00:10:30.265 --> 00:10:34.005 He's got an index of every Red Hat project in his head. Okay, 00:10:34.025 --> 00:10:37.565 here we go. Three, two, one, go. How many text editors can you name? 00:10:38.545 --> 00:10:44.565 Vi, Vim, Zed. Neo Vim. Nano. Ed. Ed, of course. Micro. Emacs. 00:10:45.285 --> 00:10:50.085 Yep. G-Edit. K-S Code. K-Write. V-S Codeium. V-S Codeium. Did you already say 00:10:50.085 --> 00:10:51.865 Zed? Mm-hmm. I said Zed. Yeah. 00:10:52.285 --> 00:10:55.465 You got any others? I do, but I'm totally blanking now. Did we say Micro? 00:10:55.665 --> 00:10:58.285 There's several. Yeah, we did. There's several REST ones. What's the? 00:10:58.825 --> 00:11:01.845 Cocoon? Sure. You know, there's several REST-based ones. Cocoon, yep. 00:11:03.925 --> 00:11:08.545 K-Write? I said K-Write. Notepad++, does that count? You run under one? 00:11:09.065 --> 00:11:12.305 Oh, well, that's a whole other world, isn't it? Cat? 00:11:13.985 --> 00:11:17.265 Does Bash count? Echo? Yeah, right. 00:11:19.165 --> 00:11:21.325 Oh, come on, Wes. Should we move on? We're 15 seconds. Okay, 00:11:21.385 --> 00:11:26.225 move on. Okay, AI used to be referred to by what other two-letter acronym? 00:11:26.585 --> 00:11:29.025 ML? Yeah. Name the current Debian stable. 00:11:29.705 --> 00:11:33.005 Say what? Name the current Debian stable. Ooh, stable. Is that Buster? 00:11:33.425 --> 00:11:36.905 Bookworm? No. Bookworm. Yes. How many Debian derivatives can you name? 00:11:40.625 --> 00:11:44.905 Is Zorin OS considered a Debian derivative? I don't know. Yeah. 00:11:45.025 --> 00:11:47.905 L-M-D-E, Ubuntu, like Smint and Java. Obviously, yeah, yeah. 00:11:48.305 --> 00:11:51.165 But I was trying to go out on the edge. Zorin OS I think might be, but I'm not sure. 00:11:51.705 --> 00:11:53.745 Yeah. MX Linux? Yep, MX Linux. 00:11:54.565 --> 00:11:57.745 Are we out of time? Yeah, but now we're just listing Debian stuff. 00:11:58.645 --> 00:12:01.825 What's wrong with that? That's half the show anyway. Yeah, okay. 00:12:03.420 --> 00:12:07.100 How'd we do? I lost track on the first one when you were doing it, 00:12:07.220 --> 00:12:10.320 so you'll have to go back and listen to the clip to see how many you named off, 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.620 because you were mostly doing the Red Hat projects. Yeah, okay. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.920 So we'll send James an unaltered... Yeah, totally unaltered. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.240 Yeah, you'll have to go unaltered, because as you can imagine, 00:12:20.420 --> 00:12:23.560 those guys were going absolutely ham in that section. Yeah, I bet. 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:28.240 If you would have asked them how many projects besides Ubuntu Canonical maintains, 00:12:28.380 --> 00:12:29.700 I don't think they would have done so well. 00:12:30.780 --> 00:12:32.480 Maybe next year we get a question. 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.800 Name Linux Podcast. Yeah, there you go. I think we do all right with that. Yeah. 00:12:37.640 --> 00:12:39.740 I'm a little disappointed in our text editor performance. 00:12:39.900 --> 00:12:40.420 I am too. 00:12:40.640 --> 00:12:43.820 I thought we could have done better there. We didn't even mention the text editor 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:45.960 we're using right now to do the show, which seems pretty stupid. 00:12:45.980 --> 00:12:46.920 It's right in front of our faces. 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:47.760 Yeah, what is that again? 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.700 Hdocs, of course. We got Hdocs. Hedge Docs. There's a lot more we probably could have named. 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.540 Maybe folks can boost in. 00:12:55.700 --> 00:12:55.820 Yeah. 00:12:56.020 --> 00:12:56.860 Contribute to our shame. 00:12:57.060 --> 00:13:00.320 I feel like there is a really obvious one that was missing. I almost didn't 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.360 get Emacs in there, which would have been super embarrassing. 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:03.940 You both didn't mention VS Code. 00:13:04.280 --> 00:13:04.860 I did, I did. 00:13:05.220 --> 00:13:05.920 And Codium. 00:13:05.980 --> 00:13:06.340 Oh, good. 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:13.340 And Codium, yeah. And I did, I went, I feel like it's a little bit on the edge, but I went ViVim. 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.500 I'm counting those as separate. They're separate. 00:13:17.680 --> 00:13:19.140 You know what? I did the same thing. 00:13:19.580 --> 00:13:22.820 That's technically accurate. That's technically accurate. So yeah. 00:13:23.180 --> 00:13:25.760 You just have a whole class of editors that you can't quit. 00:13:26.880 --> 00:13:29.420 That's true. I just get stuck. I just power off the machine. 00:13:29.660 --> 00:13:30.840 So let us know what we missed. 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.060 I can't even say the micro Emacs we tried that Linus has been using. 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.880 Oh, we just tried that. You see, I don't test well. 00:13:38.100 --> 00:13:38.360 Yeah. 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:39.360 I don't test well. 00:13:42.101 --> 00:13:45.841 But I do know 1Password.com slash unplugged is well. 00:13:46.001 --> 00:13:49.401 So go to 1Password.com slash unplugged. Try it out. 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Nice to see you. 00:15:36.819 --> 00:15:41.719 Yeah, thanks. Good to see you guys. So this is my first Linux Fest to really 00:15:41.719 --> 00:15:44.739 connecting with kind of anyone in this wider community. 00:15:45.899 --> 00:15:49.519 before, I guess about a year ago, I kind of started listening to your show and 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.699 heard about this, but I couldn't make it, you know. 00:15:52.359 --> 00:15:55.679 But before that, I just felt like I was living in a bubble by myself. 00:15:55.899 --> 00:15:58.839 You know, I did not have anyone to talk to. I don't work in a tech job, 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.799 you know, and no one wants to talk about this. 00:16:02.119 --> 00:16:06.439 So, you know, the whole year I've been waiting, like, okay, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna be here. 00:16:07.059 --> 00:16:13.519 And, you know, I saw a couple amazing talks, like stuff using a identity where 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.819 reverse proxy, you know, I want to try that. 00:16:16.899 --> 00:16:21.239 And there was just a really cool talk about cyborg security, 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:24.979 which was like out of left field, but so I'm a physician, 00:16:26.099 --> 00:16:30.699 and I kind of was like, well, this is kind of an off-topic sort of thing, 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.819 but we got deep in the weeds about, like, medical device security, 00:16:34.819 --> 00:16:39.419 something that I'm really passionate about, but once again, never found anyone that cares. 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.639 And, you know, I wound up chasing this person down, and we're chatting for like 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:47.319 a half an hour and just some amazing, amazing conversations, 00:16:47.319 --> 00:16:48.779 just connecting with people. 00:16:48.899 --> 00:16:53.939 There's someone interested in all this stuff and I'm getting so many new ideas. 00:16:54.039 --> 00:17:01.019 I just feel like all of a sudden, it's like mind blown, just kind of like euphoric 00:17:01.019 --> 00:17:04.099 feeling from being able to talk like this. 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:05.619 You know, that's a... 00:17:06.812 --> 00:17:11.612 Super similar experience to the experience I had when I first came to LinuxFest here. 00:17:12.012 --> 00:17:16.772 The first one I came to was, oh gosh, 2018, I think. 00:17:18.152 --> 00:17:22.652 And it was for the exact same reason. Like I loved these topics, 00:17:22.812 --> 00:17:23.972 open source Linux, all this stuff. 00:17:24.352 --> 00:17:28.472 Nobody else in my life cared. And you boys convinced me to come all the way 00:17:28.472 --> 00:17:31.912 over here. I lived like on the other side of the continent. So thank you for doing that. 00:17:32.292 --> 00:17:35.752 And it was the exact same feeling like, oh, you come here and all of a sudden 00:17:35.752 --> 00:17:40.072 you can have very easy conversations with people who like the same stuff you do like what a concept, 00:17:40.932 --> 00:17:43.952 and it's so rewarding so for anyone who has 00:17:43.952 --> 00:17:47.512 never been to a conference like this is like we didn't make it to the talks 00:17:47.512 --> 00:17:50.932 because of exactly what you just said is like all these great conversations 00:17:50.932 --> 00:17:54.912 that you have just in the hallway track as they call it right and that is priceless 00:17:54.912 --> 00:17:59.572 and it keeps us going we get like a boost of energy every time we do these so 00:17:59.572 --> 00:18:02.472 uh and that's true for everybody here so like. 00:18:02.472 --> 00:18:08.072 Literally every single person I would just bump into like walk next to or something 00:18:08.072 --> 00:18:11.152 would you know it's like hello and then just immediately we're talking about 00:18:11.152 --> 00:18:17.272 some super interesting thing just not every single person that's here it's like 00:18:17.272 --> 00:18:18.552 there's there's something to talk about. 00:18:18.552 --> 00:18:22.492 You know what the biggest challenge is like tomorrow when you go home remembering 00:18:22.492 --> 00:18:26.372 it all or all the projects you wanted to try or the names of like suggestions 00:18:26.372 --> 00:18:29.352 that you got. So if you figure out that one, you let us know. 00:18:30.212 --> 00:18:30.612 All right, will do. 00:18:31.232 --> 00:18:33.372 Thank you, Eric. It's good to chat with you. Thank you for joining us. 00:18:35.112 --> 00:18:38.112 All right. We have a come on up. Come on down. 00:18:38.852 --> 00:18:41.992 We need some come on down music. We do. All right, come on down. 00:18:41.992 --> 00:18:44.032 Yeah, we do. What's going on, soundboard guy? 00:18:44.232 --> 00:18:47.712 Oh, I might have something. I'll look for the future, okay? 00:18:51.237 --> 00:18:52.837 Well, we have another guest here. 00:18:53.057 --> 00:18:53.157 Hello. 00:18:53.157 --> 00:18:53.957 Can you introduce yourself? 00:18:54.217 --> 00:18:58.397 I'm Sean, also known as Senior Smile in all the online places. 00:18:59.157 --> 00:19:03.177 And I have a call for participation. 00:19:04.657 --> 00:19:07.537 So last year was the first NixCon USA. 00:19:08.197 --> 00:19:12.197 And I met a surprisingly large amount of people from the Pacific Northwest, 00:19:12.657 --> 00:19:13.977 even in the Seattle area. 00:19:14.217 --> 00:19:16.497 Like, you know, like throwing distance almost. 00:19:17.417 --> 00:19:23.397 So Planet Nix happened again this year. and I saw some of those same people and we got talking. 00:19:24.857 --> 00:19:28.437 We need to keep this going throughout the year. How do we do that? 00:19:28.517 --> 00:19:30.157 We need a user group, right? 00:19:32.597 --> 00:19:37.217 So I met a few of those same people yesterday. Like, all right, 00:19:37.277 --> 00:19:38.377 I need to start getting names. 00:19:39.517 --> 00:19:43.017 But I need more than six people to have a user group. 00:19:43.157 --> 00:19:48.237 I mean, I guess maybe not. We could start with just six people, why not? But... 00:19:48.237 --> 00:19:50.697 You want to put a call-out, so anybody's interested in joining. 00:19:50.697 --> 00:19:54.537 Yeah, this is a call-out for participation. So I've done many meetups in the past. 00:19:55.797 --> 00:20:02.277 I helped start the Ansel meetup and became the sole meetup organizer for that back in 2015. 00:20:03.137 --> 00:20:08.277 I've done several language meetups because linguistics was actually my major 00:20:08.277 --> 00:20:10.537 in school, not computer science. 00:20:11.477 --> 00:20:20.937 And so, yeah, there is an official call out on the NixOS forums, discourse.nixos.org. 00:20:21.537 --> 00:20:23.997 I'll send you guys a link to put in the show notes. 00:20:24.917 --> 00:20:27.997 Anybody who's interested, go there and just respond. 00:20:28.877 --> 00:20:31.797 More details will come based on number of people we get. 00:20:32.117 --> 00:20:38.097 If we get 40 people, that's going to dictate the venue that we need to locate. 00:20:38.097 --> 00:20:41.737 If we only get 10, that's a little easier venue to find. 00:20:42.577 --> 00:20:49.577 But I suspect there is a lot of us lurking in the Seattle area and I'm excited to have, 00:20:50.307 --> 00:20:54.627 Monthly meetings about all things next OS because I'm just crazy about it. 00:20:54.727 --> 00:20:58.267 Can I ask you? Do you have any ideas about You know the very first one do you 00:20:58.267 --> 00:21:01.607 have any ideas of what you want to touch on in the world of next OS? 00:21:01.987 --> 00:21:05.027 I already have a talk so, 00:21:07.987 --> 00:21:15.127 At Planet next this year which happened in was that late April Co-located with 00:21:15.127 --> 00:21:20.267 scale I I got talking to a couple people about all things security. 00:21:20.567 --> 00:21:24.627 And there was one guy that's been working on SE Linux. 00:21:25.147 --> 00:21:31.927 It was sort of abandoned in 2019. And he's just been going hardcore into it. 00:21:32.167 --> 00:21:33.867 And sorry, I forget your name. 00:21:35.407 --> 00:21:41.107 And I also learned that the hardened.nix built-in module that you can import 00:21:41.107 --> 00:21:46.347 is essentially abandoned. It has all sorts of issues, and it's going to be deprecated 00:21:46.347 --> 00:21:48.527 in the near future if my information is correct. 00:21:48.867 --> 00:21:59.707 So I've been working on a module that's kind of firstly going for all of the NIST qualifications. 00:22:00.667 --> 00:22:09.147 I'm going to actually also have a test to then test it separately from the NICS configuration itself. 00:22:09.367 --> 00:22:11.887 But it's going to have so much more than that. 00:22:11.887 --> 00:22:13.387 Don't forget to run your test, right? 00:22:13.667 --> 00:22:19.147 Yeah, don't forget to run the test. And verify that the test results actually make sense. 00:22:19.387 --> 00:22:23.947 Right, right. Okay, so Sean, so you're looking for folks in kind of the West 00:22:23.947 --> 00:22:29.027 Coast Pacific Northwest corridor that want to join a Nix lug that would also 00:22:29.027 --> 00:22:32.887 maybe want to organize around NixCon. Am I following you? 00:22:33.127 --> 00:22:33.427 Yeah. 00:22:33.587 --> 00:22:36.487 And then there's a discourse post people should find. We're going to link. 00:22:36.547 --> 00:22:38.247 Okay, I just want to make sure we get that out there so it's clear. 00:22:38.407 --> 00:22:41.607 If you're in this area, and that kind of sounds like something you'd be interested in doing. 00:22:42.727 --> 00:22:46.567 Yeah, right. So you're not just looking for long-time Nix folks who can do presentations. 00:22:46.567 --> 00:22:48.627 You're also looking for Nix Curious. Anyone? 00:22:49.007 --> 00:22:55.487 Yeah, definitely Nix Curious. Or even if this is somehow the first time you're 00:22:55.487 --> 00:22:58.727 hearing about all this, you're interested in open source and this is your first 00:22:58.727 --> 00:23:03.587 time listening to this podcast, there's this thing called Nix. It's amazing. 00:23:04.827 --> 00:23:06.407 It's part of the ecosystem. 00:23:06.947 --> 00:23:08.947 We should check it out. That'd be a good idea. 00:23:09.687 --> 00:23:13.347 I hear it's especially good for recovering Ansible users. Is that what you said, John? 00:23:14.887 --> 00:23:21.367 Nice. I do have another talk. I'm not quite ready to release the actual project. 00:23:22.467 --> 00:23:27.147 I use Ansible to control a fleet of 50 NixOS servers. 00:23:28.567 --> 00:23:31.827 I found it better than Colmena and all the other solutions. 00:23:32.667 --> 00:23:37.207 So it's almost ready, but that'll be a future talk. 00:23:37.207 --> 00:23:37.987 A story for another time, perhaps. 00:23:37.987 --> 00:23:39.867 My security stuff is much further along. 00:23:40.227 --> 00:23:43.767 Very good. All right. Well, thank you for putting the call out there. We'll put a link to that. 00:23:43.927 --> 00:23:46.447 Now, there's several good incentives already for me to go to this meetup. 00:23:46.507 --> 00:23:48.347 So I'll see you there, Sean. Thank you for putting it together. 00:23:48.607 --> 00:23:49.447 Yeah. Appreciate it. 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.999 Well, joining us again is a friendly face. Jose, you're here with us again this 00:23:57.999 --> 00:23:58.959 year. It was a nice surprise. 00:23:59.419 --> 00:24:03.499 Yes, we sat back. I'm taking over the Jar Jar personality now, 00:24:03.619 --> 00:24:06.499 Tyson. So we sat back here in the Pacific Northwest. 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.599 Can you remind everyone where you're coming from? 00:24:09.899 --> 00:24:17.719 Yes, we're coming all the way from Puerto Rico. So the nice Caribbean, hot, sun, the beach. 00:24:17.959 --> 00:24:21.059 You were just looking for cold weather to go to, right? Is that it? 00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:26.959 Well, the weather this year has been incredible. It's been very sunny, blue skies. 00:24:26.979 --> 00:24:30.319 Wherever you go, you heal little birds, the flowers, everything. 00:24:30.499 --> 00:24:34.799 So it's been incredible comparing to last year where we were ordering pizzas 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.039 with pouring rain on top of us and trying to cover the hot dogs. 00:24:38.459 --> 00:24:39.439 Still a good time. 00:24:39.639 --> 00:24:40.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:44.299 Why come to LinuxFest Northwest? I would imagine there are vents a little closer to you. 00:24:44.899 --> 00:24:47.939 You think, right? um well in 00:24:47.939 --> 00:24:50.879 puerto rico i to my to the best of my knowledge we 00:24:50.879 --> 00:24:54.159 don't we don't have any events like this but at least 00:24:54.159 --> 00:24:56.959 for me this is the this is 00:24:56.959 --> 00:25:00.299 the one that i've always wanted to come my first time was last year because 00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:04.259 uh letting some plug and the jupiter broadcasting that's how i started getting 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:09.099 into the the whole software development business and every time i was just listening 00:25:09.099 --> 00:25:13.239 one day i'll make it there one day i'll make it there and then in 2021 i made 00:25:13.239 --> 00:25:15.799 it to the Denver meetup and it was that. 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.879 Was incredible I mean I don't think any of us can ever forget that all the time. 00:25:18.879 --> 00:25:24.119 Yeah yeah that was a really good one and then I said uh and last year I was, 00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:28.419 talking over with the people I work with and my company I was like you know 00:25:28.419 --> 00:25:31.999 what let's take a trip up there and we're all going there and we liked it we 00:25:31.999 --> 00:25:36.999 loved it so much it was very fun even my wife who uh she knows a lot about tech 00:25:36.999 --> 00:25:41.519 because obviously me and uh but even she left I was like, oh, 00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:44.579 it was really nice seeing all these people just come together and volunteer 00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:49.739 and just out of their will just putting this all together and made us really, really happy. 00:25:49.899 --> 00:25:54.879 And this year we're back, I brought my best friend over, and we've really been enjoying it. 00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:58.259 And so, yeah, it's been very, very nice to come back here. 00:25:58.439 --> 00:26:01.959 Amazing. And this year you did something a little different. You gave a talk, right? 00:26:02.379 --> 00:26:07.099 Yes, I did. Yes, I did. I remember last year on this very same podcast, 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.919 I said, well, and this project will be ready in two months. 00:26:10.963 --> 00:26:12.763 Well, I didn't say which two months. 00:26:15.223 --> 00:26:19.143 So it sounds like the project you promised you were working on last year when 00:26:19.143 --> 00:26:23.143 we interviewed you here at LinuxFest Northwest, you have continued to work on. 00:26:23.303 --> 00:26:27.423 However, maybe it was a bit of a bigger adventure than you thought initially. 00:26:27.943 --> 00:26:31.863 It was much more of a bigger adventure than I thought, if you want to put it like that. 00:26:32.083 --> 00:26:34.943 Can you give us a sense of what it is and what you're working on and where it's at? 00:26:35.043 --> 00:26:39.283 Yes. In defense of myself, when I got back home, work just swamped me. 00:26:39.283 --> 00:26:42.083 so i was like nah i'm not gonna be ready for 00:26:42.083 --> 00:26:45.203 july i'm gonna take a bit more and so 00:26:45.203 --> 00:26:48.083 the project i'm working on is uh a media 00:26:48.083 --> 00:26:51.223 center uh with the back end written go 00:26:51.223 --> 00:26:54.103 with postgres and uh has a 00:26:54.103 --> 00:26:57.283 web client and tv clients friend with react and 00:26:57.283 --> 00:27:00.303 react native and um it's been a passion project 00:27:00.303 --> 00:27:03.423 of mine i grew up with my dad he used to love movies so 00:27:03.423 --> 00:27:06.443 we used to have a big rack of movies with like a binder with 00:27:06.443 --> 00:27:09.163 all the movies categorized and everything and it was 00:27:09.163 --> 00:27:11.743 so nice and i always wanted to do that and eventually i ended 00:27:11.743 --> 00:27:14.603 up like most of us like trying to self-host with 00:27:14.603 --> 00:27:17.703 jellyfin and and plex and i love jellyfin 00:27:17.703 --> 00:27:20.443 it's a really nice project we have a very nice 00:27:20.443 --> 00:27:23.123 server set up at home but first off i wanted 00:27:23.123 --> 00:27:26.523 to build my own because of a passion project plus uh 00:27:26.523 --> 00:27:29.583 i'm a blind person so accessibility was super important 00:27:29.583 --> 00:27:34.443 for me and some of the features that are right now on the market like like accessibility 00:27:34.443 --> 00:27:38.143 support for a lot of stuff to give you an example if you go into the jellyfin 00:27:38.143 --> 00:27:41.723 library where your movies are you start like hovering over with the screen reader 00:27:41.723 --> 00:27:46.603 what you hear is unlabeled unlabeled unlabeled and i don't know about you but 00:27:46.603 --> 00:27:48.883 i don't have that movie in my library so um i. 00:27:48.883 --> 00:27:51.803 Hear it's coming out in uh in the next year so yeah. 00:27:51.803 --> 00:27:53.623 Why can't the studios make anything original. 00:27:53.623 --> 00:27:53.883 Anymore. 00:27:53.883 --> 00:27:57.463 Yeah so 00:27:57.463 --> 00:28:00.383 that was my my target um and i 00:28:00.383 --> 00:28:03.343 also wanted to take out i wanted to work on some features this 00:28:03.343 --> 00:28:07.083 specifically i want this one's a bit more like uh like 00:28:07.083 --> 00:28:12.203 niche but like for example i own a lot of blu-rays and some of them are in like 00:28:12.203 --> 00:28:16.643 dts hd format and if you play on plex or jellyfin on certain televisions and 00:28:16.643 --> 00:28:21.563 that kind of stuff they'll just uh put it down to like uh mix it down to like 00:28:21.563 --> 00:28:26.563 a stereo pcm2 channels or something like that and it's very hard for me to say, no, no, no, no, no, 00:28:26.823 --> 00:28:30.403 use AAC 5.1 or something like that, that it's a bit more. 00:28:30.923 --> 00:28:33.483 And so I wanted to do that, and... 00:28:34.415 --> 00:28:40.515 And so, yeah, I learned a very hard lesson that's very difficult to do. 00:28:42.155 --> 00:28:47.395 Can I ask you why start your own project instead of contributing to, 00:28:47.415 --> 00:28:49.515 say, Jellyfin, since you seem to like it for the most part? 00:28:49.675 --> 00:28:54.515 Yes, that was a thing I did in my talk yesterday. The first one is because, 00:28:54.835 --> 00:28:58.275 first off, it's a passion project of mine, so I really want to do it. 00:28:59.095 --> 00:29:02.475 Like I said, there are certain features that I really want. 00:29:02.475 --> 00:29:05.315 one of them is um you might 00:29:05.315 --> 00:29:08.175 have heard i live in puerto rico and we might 00:29:08.175 --> 00:29:11.015 be having some technical difficulties with our power grid 00:29:11.015 --> 00:29:14.355 and so we lose power quite a bit and 00:29:14.355 --> 00:29:17.675 so having something that's super power efficient for me that 00:29:17.675 --> 00:29:20.535 only runs the necessary things that i want is super important for 00:29:20.535 --> 00:29:24.455 when power goes out and we're on battery power um and 00:29:24.455 --> 00:29:27.075 i want to make the jet the neighbors jealous and say 00:29:27.075 --> 00:29:31.275 i got power and i got tv and you know god and so 00:29:31.275 --> 00:29:34.995 i that's very important for me and um the 00:29:34.995 --> 00:29:37.955 truth is also i don't like .net i'm sorry people 00:29:37.955 --> 00:29:41.395 it's a preference yeah and and 00:29:41.395 --> 00:29:46.195 like i said in my talk jellyfin is a great project um i started out like no 00:29:46.195 --> 00:29:50.335 i'm not gonna look at anything i'm gonna just build my own then three bottles 00:29:50.335 --> 00:29:53.555 of whiskey later and heartaches and everything i went like maybe just take a 00:29:53.555 --> 00:29:56.975 peek at it just just a little peek and then i started looking at it i'm like 00:29:56.975 --> 00:30:01.195 oh this is smart i like the way they're doing this like show less things and all that kind of stuff. 00:30:01.375 --> 00:30:04.515 And so I took some inspiration from them because like I said, 00:30:04.615 --> 00:30:05.295 they're a great project. 00:30:05.395 --> 00:30:09.475 But this is like my passion project. This is also something I really want to do. 00:30:09.615 --> 00:30:15.295 And my dream is one day to buy a house, have my own little movie room with my 00:30:15.295 --> 00:30:18.555 own media center and everything like that. 00:30:18.635 --> 00:30:21.575 And so passion project, certain technical differences. 00:30:21.955 --> 00:30:24.255 And yeah, those are the main reasons. 00:30:24.555 --> 00:30:27.255 Great. And are you looking for people to contribute at this point? 00:30:27.295 --> 00:30:33.175 I would love it. um i would love to uh i have a github repo uh which uh, 00:30:34.214 --> 00:30:38.394 It's not under the best circumstances right now, but it has the backend and 00:30:38.394 --> 00:30:39.854 it has the TV client already there. 00:30:40.354 --> 00:30:45.054 Sorry. And it has the TV client already there. And yes, I would love for people 00:30:45.054 --> 00:30:48.874 to help me out with certain kind of stuff. One of the biggest challenges, I'm blind. 00:30:49.154 --> 00:30:55.834 So doing the UI is very difficult, especially for TV clients because managing 00:30:55.834 --> 00:30:59.694 focus and all that kind of stuff is really, really hard. And so, 00:30:59.774 --> 00:31:00.914 yeah, I would love for people to contribute. 00:31:01.134 --> 00:31:05.234 You can go to my website, blindpingbuttoncoder.com and we have a section there 00:31:05.234 --> 00:31:08.354 that's just dedicated to this project itself. 00:31:08.714 --> 00:31:11.174 Sounds great. Well, thank you, Jose, for giving us a little update. 00:31:11.394 --> 00:31:11.514 Yeah. 00:31:11.794 --> 00:31:12.854 Great to see you. Thank you. 00:31:13.054 --> 00:31:13.374 Thank you. 00:31:17.454 --> 00:31:21.934 You know, you can tell that this is a wonderful audience because as Jose was 00:31:21.934 --> 00:31:25.414 talking about, you know, the disclaimers around Git Repos, which I say all the 00:31:25.414 --> 00:31:27.534 time, you know, you could just see the heads nodding. 00:31:27.694 --> 00:31:29.674 Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. 00:31:29.874 --> 00:31:31.714 All of our things are filled with to-do items, right? 00:31:31.714 --> 00:31:40.054 So I'm going to play a chat we had earlier yesterday with Carl Rochelle from System76. 00:31:40.914 --> 00:31:45.194 So that's coming up next. We also have some feedback we're going to get to. So we still have more. 00:31:45.314 --> 00:31:48.454 And also, if anybody else has anything they want to jump on and chat with us 00:31:48.454 --> 00:31:51.934 about, you'll have an opportunity to do it in just a moment. It's sort of last call. 00:31:52.714 --> 00:31:54.354 And we're going to get to all that in just a moment. 00:31:57.654 --> 00:32:01.014 but first i'm going to mention configcat.com slash 00:32:01.014 --> 00:32:03.834 unplug this episode and it's our last episode that 00:32:03.834 --> 00:32:06.874 is brought to you by configcat so go check them out while you still can they're 00:32:06.874 --> 00:32:10.874 the feature flag service that helps you release features faster and with less 00:32:10.874 --> 00:32:14.714 risk i'm trying to convince west to do this all the time and i keep saying west 00:32:14.714 --> 00:32:18.774 you got to go to configcat.com slash unplug they got unlimited seats west they 00:32:18.774 --> 00:32:22.174 got they got awesome support west and a reasonable surprise tag, Wes. 00:32:22.374 --> 00:32:25.934 You don't like it when I just enable surprise features and you have no way to 00:32:25.934 --> 00:32:27.374 turn them off without modifying the code? 00:32:27.514 --> 00:32:30.874 No, I say, Wes, I need it easy to do gradual rollbacks. I want to be able to 00:32:30.874 --> 00:32:33.274 do A-B testing. I want canary releases, Wes. 00:32:33.594 --> 00:32:36.754 I want all of that stuff, and I want it from a friendly visual dashboard. 00:32:36.934 --> 00:32:40.574 You know, if we had ConfigCat set up with our website, you probably wouldn't have broken it. 00:32:40.694 --> 00:32:43.094 That's probably true. I probably would not have broken our website last week. 00:32:43.214 --> 00:32:47.054 So the nice thing, too, is that the user's data never leaves your system. 00:32:47.354 --> 00:32:52.114 You can go through their security set up. They have a really done good explanation on their website. 00:32:52.234 --> 00:32:55.654 And you can try their forever free plan, but if you decide to do the paid plan, 00:32:55.674 --> 00:32:59.034 use the promo code unplugged to Fiverr. That's unplugged25. 00:32:59.454 --> 00:33:01.614 I do it in uppercase, so you're just shouting the whole thing. 00:33:01.674 --> 00:33:07.594 You go to configcat.com slash unplugged and use coupon code unplugged25 to get 00:33:07.594 --> 00:33:09.934 a little bit of a discount and support the show. 00:33:10.034 --> 00:33:12.454 That's configcat.com slash unplugged. 00:33:15.334 --> 00:33:20.714 Alright, so we had the opportunity to chat with Carl from System76, and he joins us now. 00:33:21.807 --> 00:33:26.807 Here we go again, back live, LinuxFest Northwest 2025, in a sunny, 00:33:27.027 --> 00:33:30.227 warm, beautiful Bellingham, Washington. 00:33:30.987 --> 00:33:34.667 And Wes, we have something very special for the live members. Oh, yes we do. 00:33:34.887 --> 00:33:38.667 And those of you that are catching on replay, join us right now. 00:33:38.847 --> 00:33:43.747 It is the CEO of System76, Mr. Keyboard Warrior himself, Carl Rochelle. 00:33:43.847 --> 00:33:45.727 Welcome back to the show. It's great to have you. 00:33:45.967 --> 00:33:50.827 Thank you for having me, and I have to say, this is my first time in Lady Jupe. It is fantastic. 00:33:51.607 --> 00:33:54.387 I'm looking out at Sunning Bellingham, as you had said. Yep. 00:33:54.927 --> 00:33:59.147 I see my kids rolling around the grass, and my 8-year-old daughter is beating 00:33:59.147 --> 00:34:00.687 up my 11-year-old son. Sure. 00:34:01.147 --> 00:34:04.127 That sounds about what my kids are probably doing right now, too. As it should be. 00:34:04.407 --> 00:34:07.667 It's wonderful up here. You know, the nice thing about Lady Joops is you can 00:34:07.667 --> 00:34:10.287 take a parking lot and make it a camping spot. Right. Exactly. 00:34:10.567 --> 00:34:14.807 We just got here late last night, and we're making, I love checking on this, 00:34:14.907 --> 00:34:17.947 right now, we're making 686 watts of solar. 00:34:18.087 --> 00:34:21.327 That's fantastic. Could be a little better. We're using a fair amount of that, too, I think. 00:34:22.287 --> 00:34:26.067 So there's been a lot of interest in our chat room this morning about your Cosmic 00:34:26.067 --> 00:34:29.287 talk. I saw Alpha 7 came out recently. 00:34:29.527 --> 00:34:33.347 So I imagine every time you give this talk, you're probably adding new things, 00:34:33.787 --> 00:34:38.547 probably covering new stuff, refining it a little bit. So what's kind of new 00:34:38.547 --> 00:34:40.207 in your presentation for Cosmic? 00:34:40.347 --> 00:34:45.967 This one was really satisfying because LinuxFest Northwest last year was my 00:34:45.967 --> 00:34:48.987 first Cosmic talk. We've been working on it for two years. 00:34:49.507 --> 00:34:52.527 And it was time to get out and start talking about what we had been building. 00:34:52.727 --> 00:34:54.707 So we came here. This is the first place we did it. 00:34:55.107 --> 00:34:58.587 Since there, I've toured the world, all over the U.S. I say world, 00:34:58.667 --> 00:34:59.307 I went to the Netherlands. 00:35:00.667 --> 00:35:03.967 Hey, there's an ocean in between. That counts. That was the Boon2 Summit. 00:35:04.647 --> 00:35:10.747 But I think it was Scale and Southwest Linux Fest and, I don't know, 00:35:10.847 --> 00:35:14.287 all over the country, talking about what we've been building with Cosmic. 00:35:14.527 --> 00:35:16.807 And so this time I got to go all the way around, it's been a year, 00:35:17.267 --> 00:35:18.947 and go back to the place where we started. 00:35:19.657 --> 00:35:24.317 So how it changed throughout the year, I've talked about here's what Cosmic 00:35:24.317 --> 00:35:26.757 is, here are the features, here's what makes it unique, 00:35:27.557 --> 00:35:32.717 tiling and floating and stacks and how it's composable and modular and you can 00:35:32.717 --> 00:35:34.817 build it to create experiences, all those kind of things. 00:35:35.897 --> 00:35:38.917 I've talked about it for a year. And so this time we talked about, 00:35:38.977 --> 00:35:42.457 okay, well, there's kind of a synopsis where, you know, what we've done last 00:35:42.457 --> 00:35:45.077 year, the big things that we landed in the last alpha. 00:35:45.457 --> 00:35:50.737 And I changed the focus to our app suite. Oh. Because the applications for Cosmic 00:35:50.737 --> 00:35:55.597 have really matured into these awesome, awesome apps, like the file browser, 00:35:55.757 --> 00:35:58.917 the Cosmic Store, add text editor. 00:35:59.837 --> 00:36:03.397 Settings are all filled out. They're everything you expect for a desktop now. 00:36:03.737 --> 00:36:06.817 So that's how the presentation changed. 00:36:07.357 --> 00:36:12.077 Yeah, I've been following it, testing out the alphas here and there. 00:36:12.217 --> 00:36:15.177 And it feels like, like you were saying, the applications around it, 00:36:15.177 --> 00:36:19.377 I saw files got some nice improvements to the last few releases in this release 00:36:19.377 --> 00:36:26.897 as well Accessibility continues to get iterated on high contrast mode and whatnot But we had one question. 00:36:27.177 --> 00:36:33.557 Yeah, um, we noticed there was some work Optimizing was it window resizing application resizing? 00:36:33.737 --> 00:36:37.737 Yeah, we wanted we wanted to know how did that come about? Did someone complain? 00:36:37.977 --> 00:36:40.637 Did you notice on your own system things could just be snappy? 00:36:40.637 --> 00:36:45.697 What's the story? In the release notes, it says, fixed high CPU usage when resizing application windows. 00:36:45.937 --> 00:36:49.317 And Wes and I are just sitting here thinking, how do you even notice that? 00:36:49.497 --> 00:36:53.637 Is there a micro benchmark in place? Was somebody just staring at system monitor 00:36:53.637 --> 00:36:56.237 and they were resizing windows? How did this come about? 00:36:56.437 --> 00:37:01.737 I think this is a fantastic question because it illustrates how far we've come 00:37:01.737 --> 00:37:06.157 because the stuff people find is like crazy little corner weird things. 00:37:06.977 --> 00:37:10.157 So I think this was a guy... 00:37:10.777 --> 00:37:15.297 who was testing Cosmic, grabbing the corner of a window, and flipping it back 00:37:15.297 --> 00:37:17.957 and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, while he was watching 00:37:17.957 --> 00:37:20.077 System Monitor. Why? I have no idea. 00:37:20.577 --> 00:37:23.017 That's how he uses the desktop, you know? This is how we find, 00:37:23.017 --> 00:37:26.557 like, the ex-Evon or things like that, right? Some of us type LS. 00:37:26.777 --> 00:37:29.097 It does a habit in the terminal. Some people drag the corner. 00:37:29.357 --> 00:37:32.897 Yeah, and by doing that over and over again, you can see the CPU usage increase 00:37:32.897 --> 00:37:34.857 because of how often we're redrawing. 00:37:35.677 --> 00:37:39.997 And so we optimized that in Cosmic Conf to clear up that issue. 00:37:39.997 --> 00:37:42.117 but that's the kind of stuff we're at now. 00:37:43.457 --> 00:37:47.737 We've done, like, the big offenders for optimization have been pretty much resolved. 00:37:47.897 --> 00:37:49.857 Now we've got some smaller ones. We still want to, you know, 00:37:49.897 --> 00:37:53.817 make it faster and snappier and more efficient, but for the most part, 00:37:53.937 --> 00:37:55.357 we're getting kind of weird stuff. 00:37:55.637 --> 00:37:59.777 Yeah, or in polish, like now being able to drag the workspaces around kind of 00:37:59.777 --> 00:38:02.097 dynamically or pin them, too, that's a really nice feature. 00:38:02.117 --> 00:38:05.337 So if you clear out all the applications on a workspace and you don't want it 00:38:05.337 --> 00:38:08.437 to disappear on you, you can pin it now and have that workspace remain persistent. 00:38:09.197 --> 00:38:13.737 Yeah, I like it because I think static workspaces are an important feature to have. 00:38:14.037 --> 00:38:16.737 But we wanted to try something new that was a bit more flexible, 00:38:16.737 --> 00:38:21.257 where the settings are also accessible to the user in the view that they're looking at. 00:38:21.557 --> 00:38:25.457 So as you open workspaces, if you hover over workspace, you can click the pin 00:38:25.457 --> 00:38:29.537 button, and that workspace, regardless of whether it has a window on or not, will stay there. 00:38:30.057 --> 00:38:35.317 If you unpin a workspace in between two and you remove the applications from it, it'll go away. 00:38:35.797 --> 00:38:40.317 So it makes it really easy to have as many as you'd like and it also has the 00:38:40.317 --> 00:38:44.877 flexibility of Dynamic workspace at the end, so you're not actually trapped 00:38:44.877 --> 00:38:47.117 into four Let's say you pin. 00:38:47.257 --> 00:38:50.757 Let's say you pin three and you have your fourth workspace It's not pinned if 00:38:50.757 --> 00:38:54.277 you put windows on that one It'll add another one after it for you so it has 00:38:54.277 --> 00:38:58.097 more flexibility than just I want to be stuck on for I think I, 00:38:58.694 --> 00:39:02.114 I don't know if we can make everyone happy, but I think it's going to be an 00:39:02.114 --> 00:39:04.234 easier feature for most people to use. 00:39:04.494 --> 00:39:08.674 And hopefully we don't offend too many people that really want just for it. We'll see. 00:39:08.914 --> 00:39:11.054 So I noticed, you know, when you're out and about these days, 00:39:11.314 --> 00:39:15.134 because when I saw you at scale, you're really cosmic forward as a company. You're really there. 00:39:15.354 --> 00:39:17.634 Even the booth branding was very cosmic forward. 00:39:18.334 --> 00:39:21.294 How is the hardware business going? I imagine it's tricky times, 00:39:21.314 --> 00:39:23.134 but is business still doing okay? 00:39:23.794 --> 00:39:26.634 It's been, it has, tariffs are tricky for everyone. 00:39:26.694 --> 00:39:33.534 Right, I have to figure, yeah. Yeah, our industry is obviously affected by the tariffs. 00:39:34.354 --> 00:39:39.014 The 5,000 NVIDIA GPUs were coming out right before the tariffs hit. 00:39:42.014 --> 00:39:45.174 And the prices when they were coming out were actually pretty good. 00:39:45.274 --> 00:39:49.574 I thought for the first time, okay, they're not raking us over the coals with 00:39:49.574 --> 00:39:50.794 the NVIDIA GPUs right now. 00:39:53.734 --> 00:39:56.554 The price accelerated quite a bit over the last few years, but I thought, 00:39:56.614 --> 00:39:57.514 okay, this looks pretty good. 00:39:58.974 --> 00:40:05.554 and we had some of our vendors like PNY. We get our 5090s from PNY, 5080s from PNY. 00:40:06.634 --> 00:40:09.414 And they said, okay, we're going to have them in April. They said, 00:40:09.494 --> 00:40:11.614 all right, we're going to have them for you by the end of April. 00:40:12.174 --> 00:40:14.694 We're good. We're solid. Here's pricing and everything. 00:40:15.294 --> 00:40:18.374 And we said, okay, all right, we're going to offer these to our customers so 00:40:18.374 --> 00:40:21.834 they can preorder, and then we'll get them by the end of April and ship them. 00:40:22.734 --> 00:40:27.154 Well, Liberation Day happened, and they said, We're not going to deliver those 00:40:27.154 --> 00:40:30.534 GPUs. And by the way, we can't give you that price. 00:40:32.534 --> 00:40:36.634 And so... There goes all your planning, huh? So you don't know price or date 00:40:36.634 --> 00:40:39.094 at that point? At that point, we didn't know price or date. 00:40:39.814 --> 00:40:45.774 But we honored our... Now we do. We've got new pricing. It was more expensive than it was. I... 00:40:47.181 --> 00:40:52.101 There's a story that was told to me that I don't really like where it's going, 00:40:52.121 --> 00:40:56.521 but it's that computing is going to become more selective, 00:40:57.061 --> 00:41:01.661 which is kind of the opposite of what I hope for as a person that thinks computer 00:41:01.661 --> 00:41:02.641 science is really important. 00:41:03.501 --> 00:41:11.561 Things are getting more expensive. These GPUs have cost like three grand for a CPU, for a GPU. 00:41:12.541 --> 00:41:21.941 It was $2,400 before. Or it's not a trend that I'm very excited about for society. 00:41:22.221 --> 00:41:24.621 It used to be you'd go finance your computer because it was, 00:41:24.741 --> 00:41:28.101 your computer cost six, in today's dollars, maybe it was 10 grand or something. 00:41:28.321 --> 00:41:31.781 And so you pay for it over a year. But not everybody had a computer. 00:41:31.881 --> 00:41:32.821 Now everybody has a computer. 00:41:33.241 --> 00:41:37.461 Are we turning to the times when not everyone could have the latest things? 00:41:37.921 --> 00:41:42.121 I don't like it. You're choosing between the used car or part of a used car 00:41:42.121 --> 00:41:45.821 and your NVIDIA GPU. I mean, it just really seems like it just sort of forces 00:41:45.821 --> 00:41:47.801 people to use services, you know. 00:41:47.861 --> 00:41:50.321 So if you can't afford a GPU, you're going to use a cloud service. 00:41:50.481 --> 00:41:54.241 And all the downsides that come with that, I suppose, like data collection and whatnot. 00:41:55.261 --> 00:42:02.161 Yeah, maybe it swings the other way. You know, we see both AMD and Intel integrating 00:42:02.161 --> 00:42:04.261 neural processors like Apple did with their M series. 00:42:04.961 --> 00:42:08.021 Maybe those become more accessible and can do some of those tasks. 00:42:08.501 --> 00:42:12.521 Right. One would hope. Yeah, yeah. I fear about that, too, because I've essentially 00:42:12.521 --> 00:42:15.941 been priced out of the GPU market, and I would love to play with this local AI stuff. 00:42:16.081 --> 00:42:19.741 So, you know, we're talking like maybe we get one GPU for Jupyter Broadcast, 00:42:19.841 --> 00:42:24.841 and we put it in a shared system, and we all use that one GPU instead of just 00:42:24.841 --> 00:42:27.021 each workstation getting a GPU or something like that, which you would have 00:42:27.021 --> 00:42:28.221 done a couple of years ago. Yeah. 00:42:28.821 --> 00:42:32.641 Yeah, that is tricky. All that being said, especially our desktops, 00:42:32.801 --> 00:42:36.201 another thing happened during this, we kind of saw the writing on the wall, 00:42:36.521 --> 00:42:39.421 that it's somewhat bipartisan, 00:42:39.921 --> 00:42:46.241 that competing with China is, you know, it's not just a Republican, 00:42:46.261 --> 00:42:50.681 just a Democrat thing, it seems to be bipartisan, so we saw that writing on the wall, I'm sorry. 00:42:51.731 --> 00:42:58.471 We had to accelerate this, though. Our laptops were being manufactured by Odium in China. 00:43:00.251 --> 00:43:04.991 But, of course, tariffs of 145% make them impossible. 00:43:05.691 --> 00:43:10.691 And so we shifted our manufacturing in the first quarter to Taiwan. 00:43:11.531 --> 00:43:16.991 And in doing that, we were able to reduce the tariffs and kind of get ourselves 00:43:16.991 --> 00:43:20.691 out of the way of that political battle that we aren't really, 00:43:20.891 --> 00:43:24.331 that's their thing to fight. Our thing is open source. 00:43:24.791 --> 00:43:29.731 You're trying to make open source hardware. That's what we care about. So that's okay. 00:43:30.291 --> 00:43:33.911 So we were able to shift our manufacturing there. That doesn't sound like a 00:43:33.911 --> 00:43:36.131 small thing to do. It was considerable. 00:43:36.591 --> 00:43:41.711 And the cost and effort, and then we didn't have, and then that meant a longer 00:43:41.711 --> 00:43:43.971 gap between when the new laptops came out. Right. 00:43:44.571 --> 00:43:48.191 So now things are, I'm seeing it both with NVIDIA 5000 series. 00:43:48.191 --> 00:43:51.011 it's starting to smooth out supply and it's starting 00:43:51.011 --> 00:43:53.791 to smooth out um i'm starting to see 00:43:53.791 --> 00:43:58.031 it with uh and with our laptops too that supply is starting to smooth out so 00:43:58.031 --> 00:44:03.111 um that's good a few more weeks and uh yeah a couple more weeks a few more weeks 00:44:03.111 --> 00:44:06.071 and we're going to be back to uh back to full strength that's good to hear um 00:44:06.071 --> 00:44:11.111 so you mentioned you've been traveling a lot you've done a lot of these events um. 00:44:11.947 --> 00:44:14.387 I don't remember you bringing the family to many of them. Is that something 00:44:14.387 --> 00:44:17.467 you're doing more these days, sort of a work-life balance, an opportunity kind of thing? 00:44:17.507 --> 00:44:20.207 What's your thoughts there as somebody who also travels a lot and does a lot of things? 00:44:20.307 --> 00:44:22.867 I'm just curious what you think and how it's working. 00:44:23.407 --> 00:44:26.927 Yeah, well, for this one, my kids are on spring break. 00:44:27.307 --> 00:44:33.107 Spring break is very different. I live up in the mountains and I buy a ski resort. 00:44:33.387 --> 00:44:35.607 And so it's winter for like six or seven months a year. 00:44:35.927 --> 00:44:38.327 So our spring break is much later than most places. 00:44:38.847 --> 00:44:41.407 The cool thing about that is it's really cheap to go Disney. 00:44:41.407 --> 00:44:44.407 There's nobody there. So we're on the shoulders, you know. 00:44:45.567 --> 00:44:49.787 But in this case, LinuxFest Northwest just happened to be on their spring break, 00:44:49.827 --> 00:44:53.247 so I got to bring them with me. Spent a couple days in Seattle, come up here. 00:44:53.847 --> 00:44:57.427 And I love bringing, if you have the opportunity to take your kids while you're 00:44:57.427 --> 00:45:01.267 doing a presentation or do a talk or something like that, I like bringing them. 00:45:02.287 --> 00:45:07.727 One talk I did in Boulder, my son came up and, well, he asked if he could demo. 00:45:08.367 --> 00:45:10.947 Huh. Amazing. Well, first he asked me a lot of hard questions. 00:45:10.947 --> 00:45:14.007 I'm like, come on, son. You're supposed to be my inside man here. 00:45:14.087 --> 00:45:14.907 Yeah, what's going on here? 00:45:15.727 --> 00:45:18.707 And then, yes, then I was showing him the theming and cosmic. 00:45:18.847 --> 00:45:21.307 He's like, can I do a theme? And then he came up and did this canary yellow 00:45:21.307 --> 00:45:23.667 blue theme. And it was great. 00:45:24.207 --> 00:45:27.647 He went to Self with me, Southeast Linux Fest. 00:45:28.927 --> 00:45:32.667 And we went to a baseball game out there. And he watched the presentation, 00:45:32.767 --> 00:45:34.287 got to be part of the community and see it. 00:45:34.347 --> 00:45:37.467 So every chance I have between the family, we do. 00:45:37.947 --> 00:45:41.107 And I think it helps them. It makes it kind of real, too. Because a lot of the 00:45:41.107 --> 00:45:45.687 technology stuff is sort of more theoretical and discussed, and it's online. 00:45:45.747 --> 00:45:48.807 So you bring it into the real life, and it's like, oh, I get a little bit better 00:45:48.807 --> 00:45:50.287 picture of what Dad does. Yeah. 00:45:51.387 --> 00:45:53.607 Well, Carl, thank you for taking the time to come and chat with us. 00:45:53.647 --> 00:45:55.687 It's always good to catch up with you. Yeah, thanks for having me. 00:45:55.767 --> 00:45:57.047 Appreciate it. Yeah, have a good fest. 00:45:59.247 --> 00:46:02.707 Well, it turns out, even though we're doing crazy things, traveling around, 00:46:02.847 --> 00:46:06.547 moving, like, I don't know, the whole studio to a different location and streaming 00:46:06.547 --> 00:46:08.247 from a different city, City. 00:46:08.547 --> 00:46:12.667 Well, the boosts still keep coming in, and we have some ballers this week. 00:46:12.847 --> 00:46:18.847 Ooh, and it looks like our baller booster, I think for the first time, is Mr. Turd Ferguson. 00:46:20.998 --> 00:46:24.698 Who comes in with 37,222 sats? 00:46:24.898 --> 00:46:27.858 It's almost ducks, but something else in there. 00:46:27.938 --> 00:46:28.038 Too. 00:46:28.158 --> 00:46:29.278 Yeah, maybe like the eagle duck. 00:46:29.518 --> 00:46:33.158 A little extra turd spin on it. It was great meeting you guys in person. 00:46:33.398 --> 00:46:35.718 Brent is much more handsome than he sounds on air. 00:46:35.838 --> 00:46:36.998 And I sound very handsome. 00:46:37.218 --> 00:46:41.338 I would kind of think you do. So I think that means, does that just mean we're uggos? 00:46:41.438 --> 00:46:44.418 I think so, yeah. Did turd even say hi to us? 00:46:44.498 --> 00:46:44.738 No. 00:46:45.238 --> 00:46:46.218 We didn't get the name. 00:46:46.358 --> 00:46:48.998 You guys had to go to the fest to see people. 00:46:49.178 --> 00:46:50.238 I think you missed that part. 00:46:50.278 --> 00:46:50.838 That's our bad. 00:46:50.998 --> 00:46:55.718 And then Turd follows up, I meant to ask you guys, if NixOS and the Forks disappeared, 00:46:56.498 --> 00:46:59.278 what distro would you switch to as a daily driver? 00:47:00.078 --> 00:47:00.878 Oh, man. 00:47:01.638 --> 00:47:05.438 So this is, I assume, like Forks means like geeks and stuff, right? 00:47:05.498 --> 00:47:05.938 I think so. 00:47:05.978 --> 00:47:06.518 Similar enough. 00:47:06.738 --> 00:47:08.558 I think for the sake of this, we just write those all off. 00:47:08.658 --> 00:47:09.658 Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. 00:47:09.798 --> 00:47:16.238 I feel like my honest answer would be Fedora, because I'm actually running Fedora on this laptop. 00:47:16.298 --> 00:47:17.098 You're already doing it. 00:47:17.178 --> 00:47:19.718 It seems like that would be a pretty good one. 00:47:19.718 --> 00:47:22.798 Hey, we're both doing Plasma Nix OS over here. I don't know what you brought to it. 00:47:22.818 --> 00:47:27.198 I know. Well, you know, somebody, I don't know who, Wes, convinced me I should 00:47:27.198 --> 00:47:30.438 try Asahi Fedora on this thing. I just couldn't remember who that was. 00:47:31.178 --> 00:47:32.478 Okay, so you're in the Fedora camp. 00:47:32.758 --> 00:47:33.798 I think I'm going to go to the Fedora camp. 00:47:33.798 --> 00:47:35.338 Especially because you're a GNOME guy now, apparently. 00:47:35.678 --> 00:47:40.358 I mean, Arch has an appeal. I was very happy with Arch for many years. 00:47:40.498 --> 00:47:46.118 But here I am, and this has been, I think, the same install since Fedora 40, 00:47:46.278 --> 00:47:51.038 and I'm now on Fedora 42, and it's Asahi Fedora. at that so i've done three 00:47:51.038 --> 00:47:53.858 release upgrades now on this. 00:47:53.858 --> 00:47:55.218 Same you're committed yeah. 00:47:55.218 --> 00:47:58.078 And it's been working really well so i think i'd have to go with that. 00:47:58.078 --> 00:48:00.838 That makes sense yeah i'm i was debating you know 00:48:00.838 --> 00:48:03.558 just in my head right now arch makes sense arch is what 00:48:03.558 --> 00:48:06.178 i was kind of on before i mean a whole bunch of things right for the 00:48:06.178 --> 00:48:08.898 show but it has that similar you got 00:48:08.898 --> 00:48:11.778 lots of fresh updates right pretty much can install whatever you 00:48:11.778 --> 00:48:14.558 want it doesn't have a lot of the nix magic but you 00:48:14.558 --> 00:48:17.258 know pac-man is simple you've got the 00:48:17.258 --> 00:48:20.558 aor and package builds and you can 00:48:20.558 --> 00:48:23.498 pretty much make it work and it has it kind of shares again that 00:48:23.498 --> 00:48:26.538 what nix has i think which is like a community of hackers 00:48:26.538 --> 00:48:30.198 who figure those things out right they're like taking apart the deb file to 00:48:30.198 --> 00:48:36.518 turn it into a aur package but yeah that's true part of me wonders probably 00:48:36.518 --> 00:48:40.878 right like because i know arch and i want to learn new stuff i'd probably have 00:48:40.878 --> 00:48:44.118 to be playing with something bootsy right it'd Probably be like a bluefin something. 00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:46.366 Yeah. 00:48:46.626 --> 00:48:47.506 I think that might be it. 00:48:48.026 --> 00:48:50.366 Bluefin would be interesting. They should make Bluefin a Sahi edition. 00:48:51.066 --> 00:48:53.466 What about you? Is the arch pole strong? 00:48:53.766 --> 00:48:56.746 Would you go back to your arch lover? Would you go back to Seuss? 00:48:56.886 --> 00:48:57.646 Been there, done that. 00:48:57.806 --> 00:48:58.066 Yeah. 00:48:58.406 --> 00:49:01.486 Been there, done that. I think my curiosity with these questions gets me in 00:49:01.486 --> 00:49:05.526 trouble. Because I always wanted like, oh, I got to try that new thing over there. 00:49:05.606 --> 00:49:08.686 I don't have much experience with it. Do you remember how overdue he is for his Gentoo challenge? 00:49:09.046 --> 00:49:10.126 Oh, my goodness. 00:49:10.226 --> 00:49:11.466 I was hoping that wouldn't come up. 00:49:12.246 --> 00:49:12.886 Oh, no. 00:49:13.566 --> 00:49:15.206 Wait, this says I get to choose. 00:49:17.726 --> 00:49:24.266 I think I would want to dip my toe into some image-based Linux distributions. 00:49:24.626 --> 00:49:26.466 I don't have very much experience with those. 00:49:26.986 --> 00:49:30.886 Some people I know have been telling me it's super great. I would imagine there 00:49:30.886 --> 00:49:33.086 are some problems you can't predict until you get into it. 00:49:33.706 --> 00:49:38.786 But I'm not too sure which version I would try, so I would be open to some suggestions. 00:49:39.006 --> 00:49:41.826 Does anybody else, maybe show of hands, do you guys have a backup distro in 00:49:41.826 --> 00:49:44.706 your mind? Like if you ever had to leave your distro, is this something you think about? 00:49:45.206 --> 00:49:46.866 You know, they finally canceled Debian forever. 00:49:47.086 --> 00:49:49.506 You do? A couple of you do? Only a couple of you, huh? Okay. 00:49:50.286 --> 00:49:54.286 I think Turd's got me thinking about this now, and I'm wondering if I... 00:49:54.286 --> 00:49:55.386 I don't know about my Fedora answer. 00:49:55.426 --> 00:49:59.566 I'm curious with the listeners at home, what your backup distro is and what your primary distro is. 00:49:59.586 --> 00:50:02.886 And you're just not saying Linux Mint because you're in Paris? 00:50:03.066 --> 00:50:06.766 I don't get it. It works great. It works really good. 00:50:07.626 --> 00:50:11.446 Thank you. Thank you, Turd. It was good seeing you. Well, I suppose. I didn't get to it. 00:50:11.706 --> 00:50:11.886 Vicariously. 00:50:12.146 --> 00:50:12.206 Yeah. 00:50:13.806 --> 00:50:21.466 Brent's hogging all the Turd. The Doodabide boosts in with 22,222 sets. 00:50:24.286 --> 00:50:25.846 Live boost? Oh, wow. 00:50:25.986 --> 00:50:27.406 Heyo, thank you for the live boost. 00:50:28.286 --> 00:50:32.026 That means our live stream must actually be working today, which I wasn't entirely sure about. 00:50:32.206 --> 00:50:32.586 I think so. 00:50:32.786 --> 00:50:33.326 Thank you, dude. 00:50:33.586 --> 00:50:34.286 Yeah, I appreciate it, dude. 00:50:35.126 --> 00:50:40.126 We also have a boost here from Rod Palmer Hoddle, which that's the first time 00:50:40.126 --> 00:50:42.426 I recognize them here, so maybe a first-time booster. 00:50:43.246 --> 00:50:44.866 That's for 5,000 sets. 00:50:44.866 --> 00:50:50.826 Hey. Hashtag 40 hours of podcast a week. That's what happens. And that is. 00:50:50.966 --> 00:50:54.066 Oh, I thought that was like a code for some sort of like oil specification. 00:50:54.406 --> 00:50:56.126 You guys are not listening to enough podcasts. 00:50:56.546 --> 00:50:56.906 Clearly. 00:50:57.126 --> 00:51:00.446 Because if you were listening to enough podcasts, you would know what hashtag 40 HPW means. 00:51:01.146 --> 00:51:03.126 That's full-time podcast listening. 00:51:03.246 --> 00:51:06.786 I know. And I'm doing it while I'm doing shows. So catch up, boys. Catch up. 00:51:07.326 --> 00:51:09.546 You're not doing it right if you're not doing 40 hours of podcast. 00:51:09.726 --> 00:51:11.946 What are you doing? Watching YouTube? I hope not. 00:51:12.146 --> 00:51:14.226 No. Tiny's not at all. 00:51:14.226 --> 00:51:17.966 No, I hope not. We also got a boost from Uncle Joe MQ. 00:51:18.306 --> 00:51:22.106 He came in with 5,000 sats, says thanks for all your shows. First time boost, 00:51:22.266 --> 00:51:25.246 long time listener, and he's got a postal code here, Wes. 00:51:25.526 --> 00:51:28.406 Did I bring the map? Did I leave it at home? 00:51:28.946 --> 00:51:32.666 Notice it's called a postal code here, not one of those zip things. 00:51:35.126 --> 00:51:39.006 You want to try the digital map, Wes? I mean, we've never done a digital map 00:51:39.006 --> 00:51:42.226 before. We always have a physical map, but I think we should try it. 00:51:44.802 --> 00:51:47.802 I'm a little nervous, Wes. See if you can find it on your digital map there, 00:51:47.882 --> 00:51:50.242 okay? It still makes map noises. 00:51:50.402 --> 00:51:51.982 It does, yeah. Well, I programmed those in. 00:51:53.422 --> 00:51:54.502 Where are you keeping that? 00:51:55.182 --> 00:51:56.782 It's in my back pocket. What do you think? 00:51:56.902 --> 00:52:01.062 Okay. All right. All right, so the zip code is 97200. 00:52:01.062 --> 00:52:03.062 Well, it's not a zip code, it would have seemed. 00:52:04.042 --> 00:52:06.062 They suggested right here that it's not a zip code. 00:52:06.102 --> 00:52:10.022 Yeah, postal code. Okay, and we've got a little clue, right? 00:52:10.062 --> 00:52:12.342 What's the difference between a zip code and a postal code? 00:52:12.342 --> 00:52:15.762 Well, one is U.S. only, and one is maybe a generic term for... 00:52:15.762 --> 00:52:20.002 Sounds like tomato, tomato, pop, soda. I mean, it doesn't seem like it's that 00:52:20.002 --> 00:52:23.602 big of a difference. I'll tell you what. And he gave you a little hint here. 00:52:23.602 --> 00:52:24.662 See, the thing is... 00:52:24.662 --> 00:52:28.322 Yeah. Are you effing looking it up right now on what it means? 00:52:28.662 --> 00:52:31.542 Well, no, I just mean, you know, there's separate databases. 00:52:31.822 --> 00:52:34.602 They haven't put this on the blockchain yet, Chris. So, you know, 00:52:34.702 --> 00:52:36.122 like I have to go to separate systems. 00:52:36.302 --> 00:52:39.882 Each one maintains their own proprietary protocol for postal code lookups that 00:52:39.882 --> 00:52:42.182 the map has to do analog interface to. 00:52:42.342 --> 00:52:43.122 I know, I know. 00:52:43.182 --> 00:52:50.522 But this would appear to be postal code 97200 corresponds to Fort de France, 00:52:51.142 --> 00:52:52.742 capital city of Martinique. 00:52:53.122 --> 00:52:53.362 Really? 00:52:53.582 --> 00:52:53.922 Wow. 00:52:54.182 --> 00:52:57.282 You know what? He did say, he did hint it would be a French-speaking area. 00:52:57.422 --> 00:52:58.442 Yeah, on a Caribbean island. 00:52:58.882 --> 00:53:01.802 I think that's the first time we hear from a listener from Martinique. 00:53:01.882 --> 00:53:05.482 I think Martinique meetup. That's got to be on the list. 00:53:05.502 --> 00:53:07.782 That should be a thing. Thank you, Uncle Joe. 00:53:07.962 --> 00:53:14.182 Let us know if we got it right. Zack Attack attacks us with 5,432 sats. 00:53:15.882 --> 00:53:20.842 I actually took my laptop to the latest version of Gnome with Bluefin. 00:53:20.982 --> 00:53:21.942 Hey-oh, speaking. 00:53:22.162 --> 00:53:25.902 I do like Gnome, and I think it actually has some advantages over Plasma, 00:53:26.122 --> 00:53:32.482 with the exception of, for some reason, the way they handle touchpads is just strange. 00:53:32.702 --> 00:53:33.002 Oh, really? 00:53:33.342 --> 00:53:36.002 I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off with a keyboard shortcut. 00:53:36.142 --> 00:53:39.462 Yes. Maybe have the touchpad turn off when a mouse is plugged in. 00:53:40.002 --> 00:53:45.102 I ended up writing a script that lets me toggle it on and off with a keyboard shortcut. In Plasma... 00:53:45.102 --> 00:53:45.782 It's just an option. 00:53:45.882 --> 00:53:48.502 That's just an option. Yeah, doesn't that really just sum up the whole thing? 00:53:48.582 --> 00:53:49.042 It's true of so many things. 00:53:49.082 --> 00:53:52.702 No, hold up. How is this not a GNOME extension, boys? How is this? 00:53:52.762 --> 00:53:53.842 This has got to be a GNOME extension. 00:53:53.842 --> 00:53:56.982 What? So you want to install some JavaScript that will break the next time I 00:53:56.982 --> 00:53:58.062 upgrade my operating system? 00:53:58.062 --> 00:54:01.202 Well, it might be superior to writing a Python script that the dude has to, 00:54:01.222 --> 00:54:03.302 like, homebrew every time he wants to, you know. 00:54:03.322 --> 00:54:05.142 So you like JavaScript more than Python now? 00:54:08.322 --> 00:54:11.142 No. No, don't put me in that box. 00:54:11.222 --> 00:54:12.082 Okay, okay, sorry. 00:54:12.302 --> 00:54:14.462 Okay, so there is a couple of different... 00:54:14.462 --> 00:54:15.582 Oh, yeah, okay. Hmm. 00:54:16.682 --> 00:54:19.962 Trackpad, what would you search for? Because there's so many Gnome extensions. 00:54:20.782 --> 00:54:23.922 Or maybe folks can boost in and tell us how they solved this. 00:54:24.022 --> 00:54:27.582 Okay, what if he pivoted and he went to something that just does mouse pointers, 00:54:27.722 --> 00:54:31.482 like mouse trails in Windows 3.1, and just was happy with it? That's what I would do. 00:54:31.622 --> 00:54:36.862 Maybe some sort of UDEV rule detects the mouse being plugged in and then kills the touchpad? 00:54:37.122 --> 00:54:40.022 As long as it turns on mouse trails. I'm happy. 00:54:40.622 --> 00:54:43.102 All right, thank you, and good luck. Let us know how it goes, 00:54:43.202 --> 00:54:46.162 ZackTack, with your custom solution. but you're right, it is nice to be able to just do it in plasma. 00:54:46.862 --> 00:54:51.762 We've got a boost here from Bravo, 5,555 sats. 00:54:54.316 --> 00:54:59.376 Hey, Jordan Bravo here. You mentioned that installed Flatpak apps would be erased 00:54:59.376 --> 00:55:01.216 when doing a Fedora reinstall. 00:55:01.336 --> 00:55:02.796 Right, the new feature in Fedora 32. 00:55:03.196 --> 00:55:05.936 Right, the whole refresh your thing. You want to just, yeah, OK. 00:55:06.536 --> 00:55:09.536 Well, that's probably because you were installing them system-wide. 00:55:09.756 --> 00:55:14.976 Try installing Flatpak apps with the dash dash user flag, which installs them 00:55:14.976 --> 00:55:18.736 in the home directory and shouldn't be affected by that reinstall process. 00:55:18.916 --> 00:55:22.896 Right, because as Neil was telling us, right, it uses ButterFS subvolume, 00:55:22.896 --> 00:55:25.756 so it and just sort of roll back to the fresh state. 00:55:26.096 --> 00:55:29.016 So, yeah, you lose it if it's on that partition or that volume, 00:55:29.036 --> 00:55:30.216 but you've got it in your home. 00:55:30.676 --> 00:55:32.696 Jordan Bravo coming in with a big brain solution there. 00:55:32.816 --> 00:55:35.416 I don't know if I've ever actually used the dash dash user flag. 00:55:35.656 --> 00:55:37.796 I've never installed the Flatpak as dash dash user, ever. 00:55:38.056 --> 00:55:38.916 But it seems like a great option. 00:55:38.916 --> 00:55:39.256 Why not? 00:55:39.396 --> 00:55:39.536 Yeah. 00:55:39.796 --> 00:55:41.996 It might as well. I mean, I don't have anybody else log into my system. 00:55:42.176 --> 00:55:43.116 Maybe it should be the default. 00:55:43.356 --> 00:55:44.496 Maybe it should be the default. 00:55:44.896 --> 00:55:47.196 There's probably some limitations that we're not aware of. 00:55:47.296 --> 00:55:52.516 Like if you install it by Discover or by GNOME software, how is it not the default? I don't know. 00:55:52.936 --> 00:55:54.676 Probably some janky set UID somewhere. 00:55:54.876 --> 00:55:58.776 Yeah, I think so. That's a good idea. Thank you, Jordan. Pod bun comes in with 00:55:58.776 --> 00:56:01.956 a row of ducks. That's 2,222 sets. 00:56:03.136 --> 00:56:06.656 Loved the episode. The clips of you guys gaming were great. I am for more gaming 00:56:06.656 --> 00:56:09.276 content. I got Trimu. Probably not it. 00:56:09.416 --> 00:56:09.716 Trimu. 00:56:09.936 --> 00:56:13.496 Thank you. A couple of months ago, and I love it. No barriers to gaming. 00:56:13.616 --> 00:56:17.896 Just straight into my ROMs. I ended up wiping them to move over my favorite ones. 00:56:17.996 --> 00:56:20.496 That's kind of what I've been thinking about doing. I love that I can just pop 00:56:20.496 --> 00:56:24.956 it in my bag and I don't have to worry about running down my phone to play retro games yeah. 00:56:24.956 --> 00:56:26.996 Yeah try Mew maybe I don't know. 00:56:26.996 --> 00:56:28.096 Yeah it looks like a Switch smart. 00:56:28.096 --> 00:56:34.016 Pro 128 gig handheld game console with preloaded games $99.99 it says here. 00:56:34.016 --> 00:56:35.536 Well that's cooler than what I got it. 00:56:35.536 --> 00:56:37.236 Does yeah it's got joysticks. 00:56:37.236 --> 00:56:40.596 And it's like the same price it kind of looks like a PSP yeah it does look more 00:56:40.596 --> 00:56:41.896 like a PSP than a Switch and there's. 00:56:41.896 --> 00:56:43.856 No like turtle shell or whatever that thing was. 00:56:44.696 --> 00:56:47.316 Soccer ball that is yeah the stupid soccer ball they got Pikachu. 00:56:47.316 --> 00:56:49.056 Stickers that come with it if you want. 00:56:49.056 --> 00:56:50.256 Okay, so what's this thing called again? 00:56:50.676 --> 00:56:53.236 T-R-I-M-U-I. 00:56:54.096 --> 00:56:58.836 The Trimui Smart Pro. Damn, that actually looks really slick. 00:56:59.696 --> 00:57:00.796 I'm a little bit jealous there. 00:57:00.936 --> 00:57:01.756 You've been doing it wrong this whole time. 00:57:01.776 --> 00:57:05.376 Yeah, PowerVR, all-winner A113+, Type-C. 00:57:05.636 --> 00:57:09.856 It's got a mood LED, RGB, double joystick, mood light. 00:57:10.316 --> 00:57:11.436 That's way better than a soccer ball. 00:57:11.436 --> 00:57:16.736 The real question. Will I talk to Home Assistant, though? If not, I'm not buying it. 00:57:16.876 --> 00:57:17.696 Well, there's a will, there's a way. 00:57:17.756 --> 00:57:22.496 I have an observation. from the last two boosts. It seems our audience is much smarter than we are. 00:57:22.896 --> 00:57:26.576 Yeah, they big-brained us again twice in a row. I agree. 00:57:27.156 --> 00:57:30.076 Bug-Eyed Stormtrooper boosts in with 5,000 cents. 00:57:32.715 --> 00:57:38.415 I enjoyed the gaming episode, but it does seem just a bit out of place on Linux Unplugged. 00:57:38.575 --> 00:57:41.595 So maybe, should it have been a Jupyter Extra? 00:57:42.015 --> 00:57:42.375 Never! 00:57:42.875 --> 00:57:44.175 Anyway, keep on keeping on. 00:57:44.295 --> 00:57:46.435 No, maybe. Actually, I think we'll put it in the launch if we ever do it again. 00:57:46.615 --> 00:57:49.015 I think that's what the consensus has been. 00:57:49.535 --> 00:57:52.855 Yeah, okay. Launches have a sort of, you know, there's like a pun somewhere 00:57:52.855 --> 00:57:54.475 in there around launching the game. 00:57:54.655 --> 00:57:57.615 Every four or five years, you know, we get the itch. 00:57:57.995 --> 00:57:58.875 To do a little game? 00:57:58.995 --> 00:57:59.215 Yeah. 00:58:00.015 --> 00:58:01.995 Just to prove that our Linux computers can still do it. 00:58:01.995 --> 00:58:04.055 Yeah, that's part of it. Can we actually make it happen? 00:58:04.415 --> 00:58:06.755 It also feels like one of those things, right, where it's just so long, 00:58:06.755 --> 00:58:09.355 it was a thing we couldn't hardly even talk about. Or if we did, 00:58:09.415 --> 00:58:10.815 it was to talk about it in an embarrassed way. 00:58:10.935 --> 00:58:14.295 Because it's like, oh, yeah, we all agreed not to talk about it because it doesn't 00:58:14.295 --> 00:58:16.155 work very well. Or we have a secret Windows PC. 00:58:16.955 --> 00:58:21.515 It's also like a low-key way to just like demo a couple of cool stacks on Linux 00:58:21.515 --> 00:58:24.255 now. True. In a way. Yeah. But I agree. 00:58:25.195 --> 00:58:26.915 Thank you, Bug-Eyed. Nice to hear from you. 00:58:27.595 --> 00:58:31.455 We have a boost here from OtterBrain, 5,000 SAT, That's simply saying, 00:58:31.595 --> 00:58:32.675 thanks for that coverage. 00:58:33.015 --> 00:58:37.555 Hmm. Thank you, Otterbrain. Appreciate it. Odyssey Westra, who's also here at 00:58:37.555 --> 00:58:39.615 LinuxFest Northwest, sent in a raw docs. 00:58:41.055 --> 00:58:41.775 Live meep. 00:58:42.675 --> 00:58:44.695 Are we calling them meeps now? I kind of like it. 00:58:44.895 --> 00:58:48.735 I think meep is a good term. He's not here to claim it, though. 00:58:48.995 --> 00:58:49.495 No, that's true. 00:58:49.775 --> 00:58:51.575 It's okay. We did see him last night at dinner. 00:58:51.755 --> 00:58:54.395 He was here earlier. I think probably dipped out for another talk. 00:58:54.515 --> 00:58:55.395 Maybe another live meep. 00:58:55.675 --> 00:58:56.855 Yeah, I think you're right about that. 00:58:56.915 --> 00:59:00.055 You never know. Thank you, everybody, who boosts into the show and supports 00:59:00.055 --> 00:59:04.895 episodes. directly by boosting. This is episode 612, which is a cool number, 612. 00:59:05.115 --> 00:59:08.815 I'll just pull up, because we do it sometimes. We got 300 stats from Galactic 00:59:08.815 --> 00:59:13.455 Flux, because I like that name, and it's just a good message. B-O-O-S-T. 00:59:14.816 --> 00:59:17.516 Love it. Thank you, everybody. Also, who streams those sats, 00:59:17.656 --> 00:59:19.516 24 of you collectively. Kind of a low amount. 00:59:19.696 --> 00:59:21.616 I think one of our nodes might have been down. Something's weird here, 00:59:21.676 --> 00:59:24.516 boys. Only 17,473 sats on the stream. 00:59:24.656 --> 00:59:26.996 Did people stop listening to this? Did we not publish last week? 00:59:27.196 --> 00:59:30.816 That might have been it. Maybe we forgot to publish. Let's publish this one. 00:59:30.896 --> 00:59:31.096 Okay. 00:59:31.236 --> 00:59:37.816 Okay. All right. Combined, we have a total of 107,648 sats for this episode, 00:59:37.816 --> 00:59:40.476 and we appreciate everybody who supports the show. 00:59:40.476 --> 00:59:44.756 So you can do it too with something like Fountain FM or you can do it directly 00:59:44.756 --> 00:59:47.056 with lots of apps over at podcastapps.com. 00:59:47.636 --> 00:59:49.956 Something Wes is going to be talking about, some of this a little bit. 00:59:50.156 --> 00:59:53.316 But there's self-hosted options, there's hosted options, there's all kinds of 00:59:53.316 --> 00:59:55.876 ways to support the show directly and get your message read on the air. 00:59:55.956 --> 00:59:58.956 We'll have links in the show notes to make it extra easy. 00:59:59.116 --> 01:00:01.676 And thank you to our members as well. We really appreciate you. 01:00:09.276 --> 01:00:12.096 okay now the pick this week 01:00:12.096 --> 01:00:14.936 80 of the reason we picked it is because 01:00:14.936 --> 01:00:18.996 of the name but it is a really good pick okay but i'm just being totally transparent 01:00:18.996 --> 01:00:25.916 with everybody this week our pick of the week is sausage sausage is a terminal 01:00:25.916 --> 01:00:32.476 word forming game written in bash and it's under the Mozilla Public License version 2. 01:00:33.596 --> 01:00:36.256 And I don't know if you guys noticed, but it just had a release seven hours ago. 01:00:36.536 --> 01:00:37.576 Yeah, it's actively developed. 01:00:37.816 --> 01:00:39.196 They noticed, like, we went to see the film. 01:00:39.396 --> 01:00:43.176 Yeah, so Sausage is a terminal word-forming game written in Bash. 01:00:43.216 --> 01:00:44.436 It actually has a nice little UI. 01:00:45.556 --> 01:00:51.296 Can you turn your screen around, Brent? Sure. It looks really kind of fun. 01:00:51.416 --> 01:00:53.476 You would not think it was written in Bash, actually. 01:00:53.596 --> 01:00:53.836 No. 01:00:54.056 --> 01:00:55.276 I know, I mean, friends of the 01:00:55.276 --> 01:00:57.836 show have made some pretty incredible Bash games, and people do it, but... 01:00:58.748 --> 01:01:00.448 It looks surprisingly good for 01:01:00.448 --> 01:01:04.248 something in your terminal. It's really a clean-looking word puzzle game. 01:01:04.388 --> 01:01:08.948 And I guess the idea is you kind of have to make words out of adjacent letters in this grid. 01:01:09.068 --> 01:01:09.668 Oh, no. 01:01:09.668 --> 01:01:14.248 But it has, like, VI key bindings. It computes statistics while you run. 01:01:14.488 --> 01:01:19.728 You can also kind of reshuffle things. You can kind of get basic commands to go back or try again. 01:01:20.068 --> 01:01:22.788 I guess it's based off of a game called Bookworm. 01:01:22.888 --> 01:01:23.108 Okay. 01:01:23.268 --> 01:01:25.128 Look at this. Isn't that good 2003 energy? 01:01:25.388 --> 01:01:27.928 Mm-hmm. On PC or Mac, CD-ROM available. 01:01:27.928 --> 01:01:28.748 Yeah, that's right. 01:01:29.108 --> 01:01:30.388 Oh, from PopCap Games. 01:01:30.408 --> 01:01:36.428 Yeah, PopCap Games. So now we've got a Mozilla public licensed version that 01:01:36.428 --> 01:01:37.508 you don't even have to install. 01:01:37.768 --> 01:01:40.028 I mean, there is for some reason an install script. 01:01:40.348 --> 01:01:40.548 Really? 01:01:40.928 --> 01:01:42.708 What does it actually install? I don't know. 01:01:42.708 --> 01:01:43.228 A shell script? 01:01:43.248 --> 01:01:45.128 Because it's just a bash file. 01:01:45.268 --> 01:01:49.168 Yeah, I'm curious to know what it actually installs. Okay, we're looking at 01:01:49.168 --> 01:01:52.628 it right now. It looks like it moves it, makes it executable. 01:01:53.488 --> 01:01:56.768 Okay, it just stashes a whole bunch of it. It's got like dictionary, it's got rules. 01:01:56.768 --> 01:01:58.388 Yeah and then it's. 01:01:58.388 --> 01:01:59.468 Got a preferred editor there. 01:01:59.468 --> 01:02:02.688 And we have to trash this what is that preferred editor there west what does 01:02:02.688 --> 01:02:07.188 it say there in that script i think it says nano yeah it says nano west that 01:02:07.188 --> 01:02:11.108 says nano i hate that i gotta. 01:02:11.108 --> 01:02:12.088 Fork it i gotta fork. 01:02:12.088 --> 01:02:16.128 It this is a great pick i am 100 behind sausage now as a little tepidace as 01:02:16.128 --> 01:02:18.668 a phrase i'm like i don't know it's a little great name but no now i'm loving 01:02:18.668 --> 01:02:21.088 it check out sausage we'll have it linked in the show notes. 01:02:21.088 --> 01:02:23.148 I have a tiny side pick. 01:02:23.148 --> 01:02:25.108 For sausage you got an extra yeah well. 01:02:25.108 --> 01:02:29.188 Every time i we run into the word sausage in a place that you don't expect it 01:02:29.188 --> 01:02:34.028 to be i think of a youtube channel that wes has introduced to us a few times 01:02:34.028 --> 01:02:37.348 wes can you give us a sense of what i'm talking about just check. 01:02:37.348 --> 01:02:42.188 Out ordinary sausage he's uh i don't know let's say food alchemist who's turned, 01:02:43.228 --> 01:02:47.688 Well, let's say he's managed to turn water into a sausage, as well as, 01:02:47.688 --> 01:02:53.608 what, scorpions, several types of liquor, really almost anything except, 01:02:53.628 --> 01:02:55.908 you know, regular pork, although that too. 01:02:56.208 --> 01:02:59.308 So, yeah, check out Ordinary Sausage if you like culinary madness. 01:02:59.508 --> 01:03:04.588 Oh, my God. You're welcome. That's a wild side pick, but I do kind of love it. 01:03:04.788 --> 01:03:07.248 I'm just trying to figure out how he turns water into sausage. 01:03:07.248 --> 01:03:07.828 Oh, you got to see it. 01:03:07.908 --> 01:03:10.728 It's kind of great. You know how YouTube channels can develop their own lore? 01:03:10.728 --> 01:03:14.728 And so there's sort of the, in the lore for that channel, there's the pre-water 01:03:14.728 --> 01:03:17.028 sausage days and the post-water sausage days. 01:03:17.188 --> 01:03:20.928 Because the theory is it sort of broke his brain. And then the channel really took a turn. 01:03:21.128 --> 01:03:23.068 Sort of like when the Cottonwood got into the studio. 01:03:23.108 --> 01:03:23.388 That's right, yeah. 01:03:23.448 --> 01:03:24.248 Before Cottonwood. 01:03:24.408 --> 01:03:24.928 It's never been the same. 01:03:24.928 --> 01:03:25.988 It's never been the same after Cottonwood. 01:03:26.128 --> 01:03:27.148 And the cat. Server runs so much better. 01:03:27.288 --> 01:03:28.448 That is weirdly true. 01:03:28.628 --> 01:03:28.828 Yeah. 01:03:29.328 --> 01:03:32.168 Yeah. The cat smells the lock totally out, though. 01:03:32.888 --> 01:03:35.808 All right. So links to everything we talked about in the show notes. 01:03:35.808 --> 01:03:39.268 We want to hear your editors that we missed. And last but not least, 01:03:39.448 --> 01:03:42.428 we are getting very close to home assistant season. 01:03:42.788 --> 01:03:45.428 Both Wes and Brent are going to be deploying home assistants. 01:03:45.848 --> 01:03:49.848 I may re-refurb on mine a little bit. Mine's about three years old right now. 01:03:50.608 --> 01:03:54.688 So if we do something for theirs that I like a lot, I may end up redoing mine 01:03:54.688 --> 01:03:55.828 or something. Mine's working fine. 01:03:56.168 --> 01:04:00.548 So what I'm looking for is first-time home assistant setup tips. 01:04:00.588 --> 01:04:02.668 So if you're listening out there, you've set up home assistant before, 01:04:02.728 --> 01:04:05.448 and we can get some tips to the boys so that way it starts out right. 01:04:05.448 --> 01:04:08.948 Also, we're looking for hardware recommendations for a mobile home assistant 01:04:08.948 --> 01:04:13.688 in Brent's van because one of the very first projects before we fix the interior, 01:04:13.928 --> 01:04:17.448 before we wash the bed, before we probably put new oil in it, 01:04:17.728 --> 01:04:22.768 maybe just after we've gotten gas, we're installing a home assistant server in Brent's van. 01:04:22.948 --> 01:04:27.048 And so I'd love some tips for something that could maybe run off of DC or mobile. 01:04:27.228 --> 01:04:29.668 We're kind of thinking of Raspberry Pi, but maybe there's a better solution 01:04:29.668 --> 01:04:32.328 out there. People could boost that and let us know too. 01:04:32.468 --> 01:04:36.348 I'm curious as well, because having seen you over the past few years kind of 01:04:36.348 --> 01:04:40.708 go down your route, and I remember you had a whole thing where one version of 01:04:40.708 --> 01:04:43.968 integration, I don't remember if it was Zigbee or Z-Wave, things changed, 01:04:44.048 --> 01:04:45.148 you'd architected it in one way. 01:04:45.208 --> 01:04:48.228 So I'm curious if folks have, now that they've gone down the path, 01:04:48.268 --> 01:04:52.008 what would they do differently to not get themselves painted into the corners 01:04:52.008 --> 01:04:53.768 that they have in the setup they have now? 01:04:53.948 --> 01:04:56.908 Yeah, let us know. Send it in, and we'll be talking about it very soon. 01:04:58.228 --> 01:05:02.328 You can come in hot with your very own boost. Now, links to what we talked about 01:05:02.328 --> 01:05:05.108 today They're at linuxunplugged.com slash 612. 01:05:05.608 --> 01:05:09.468 Of course, you can also join us when we do the show live. Make it a Tuesday 01:05:09.468 --> 01:05:12.288 on a Sunday, noon Pacific. Nope, 10 a.m. Pacific. 01:05:12.588 --> 01:05:15.148 Jeez, still don't have it down. You know what you should do? 01:05:15.928 --> 01:05:19.648 Don't listen to me. I don't know what I'm talking about. Go to jupiterbroadcasting.com 01:05:19.648 --> 01:05:22.588 slash calendar or get a podcasting 2.0 app. 01:05:22.668 --> 01:05:24.828 It's just in there automatically. Why are you listening to me? 01:05:24.888 --> 01:05:26.508 Why do you make me say it like this? 01:05:26.828 --> 01:05:28.728 God, I mess it up every time. 01:05:29.988 --> 01:05:30.468 Tuesdays, right? 01:05:30.848 --> 01:05:33.988 Yeah, Tuesdays. Yeah, at 3 p.m. Yeah. All right. 01:05:34.068 --> 01:05:36.528 Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Linux Unplugged 01:05:36.528 --> 01:05:40.288 program. And we will see you right back here next Thursday.
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