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Omarchy Hits Different

Jul 6, 2025
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Developers are abandoning their Macs for a new frontier: Arch Linux with Hyprland. We dive into Omarchy, and the broader trend fueling it.

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WEBVTT 00:00:11.405 --> 00:00:16.325 Hello friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.525 --> 00:00:17.225 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.685 --> 00:00:18.445 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.665 --> 00:00:23.805 Hello gentlemen, this is episode 622 and coming up on this episode, 00:00:24.065 --> 00:00:29.265 there is a big trend sweeping over desktop Linux. It's really exciting. 00:00:29.465 --> 00:00:32.465 We're going to dig into that and take a look at it. Then we'll round out the 00:00:32.465 --> 00:00:33.565 show with some great boosts, 00:00:33.685 --> 00:00:36.425 some picks, and a lot more we are 00:00:36.425 --> 00:00:42.445 not live this week but we are doing it from the great north it is canada broadcast 00:00:42.445 --> 00:00:46.905 day it's canada day on the show i'm over at brent's house up in uh his lovely 00:00:46.905 --> 00:00:51.525 lovely property in the bc area what do you call this general area is it like 00:00:51.525 --> 00:00:56.305 the the kootenai area or the kootenani area or something the kootenai there. 00:00:56.305 --> 00:00:57.405 Are the kootenai's up here. 00:00:57.405 --> 00:00:58.405 Which kind of extend. 00:00:58.405 --> 00:01:02.885 Down into the u.s as well but this region is specifically called the east kootenai's So. 00:01:02.885 --> 00:01:05.765 I'm in the East Kootenays, been exploring the East Kootenays with Brent and 00:01:05.765 --> 00:01:08.405 his family, and it's been absolutely terrific here on a family road trip. 00:01:09.425 --> 00:01:13.665 So, of course, also I have the classic, since I didn't do a show for a week 00:01:13.665 --> 00:01:16.785 and I'm on a road trip, I have a cold, so I apologize if I sound a little funky. 00:01:17.919 --> 00:01:22.079 But it's pretty exciting. 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No credit card required. 00:03:10.779 --> 00:03:13.399 Tailscale.com slash unplugged. 00:03:16.839 --> 00:03:21.779 A big trend has been sweeping over Linux in the last week or two. 00:03:21.779 --> 00:03:30.439 And it's really exciting to watch because it's coming really from the work of one individual. 00:03:30.959 --> 00:03:36.479 And it's, I mean, not to minimize the work that all of the desktop developers 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.619 and all the distro developers do that make all of this possible. 00:03:38.839 --> 00:03:43.579 But every now and then, somebody with some influence comes along and reaches 00:03:43.579 --> 00:03:46.419 a new audience, kind of breaks into a new demographic. 00:03:46.699 --> 00:03:51.179 And this is really exciting to watch. And we've talked about DHH before. 00:03:51.499 --> 00:03:54.099 He's created the Omicube project. 00:03:54.559 --> 00:03:59.639 He's extremely prolific in the Ruby community. Their company is 32 Signals, 00:03:59.739 --> 00:04:01.739 right, Wes? And they make the Basecamp product. 00:04:01.979 --> 00:04:05.079 Yeah, Basecamp and also, hey, the email system now. 00:04:06.137 --> 00:04:12.777 Right. And it was a little bit ago in episode 566, Chef's Choice Ubuntu, 00:04:12.937 --> 00:04:15.977 we talked about Omicube, where he had created a spin of Ubuntu, 00:04:16.217 --> 00:04:20.257 targeted at developers, maybe coming from the Mac. 00:04:20.877 --> 00:04:26.537 And it was an interesting product project and it got it got some attention and it got some users, 00:04:27.117 --> 00:04:33.817 and he's he's continued his journey because he's a 25 year mac user who's really 00:04:33.817 --> 00:04:38.117 kind of realized recently that for the type of work he does maybe there's other 00:04:38.117 --> 00:04:42.557 options out there besides mac and windows and so we saw the first versions of 00:04:42.557 --> 00:04:46.177 this with omacube and it seemed nice we liked it Obviously, 00:04:46.417 --> 00:04:49.957 it was an Ubuntu base with some things that could be improved. 00:04:50.057 --> 00:04:52.437 It was a GNOME desktop experience. It was fine. 00:04:53.437 --> 00:04:57.197 It didn't rock us. It didn't disappoint us. We thought it was a good first attempt. 00:04:57.617 --> 00:05:01.037 And I think like many of us, DHH has continued this Linux journey. 00:05:01.237 --> 00:05:05.137 You find your footing in Linux, and then you kind of expand out from there. 00:05:05.997 --> 00:05:11.337 Maybe you start with an Ubuntu or a Mandrake, and then you try out a Fedora, or you try out Arch. 00:05:11.337 --> 00:05:15.757 I wonder, too, you know, before this, DHH kind of famously moved a lot of his 00:05:15.757 --> 00:05:19.357 companies off the cloud and doing more, like, dedicated server hosting. 00:05:19.517 --> 00:05:22.177 So I wonder, too, if there's some empowerment on that side leading, 00:05:22.417 --> 00:05:26.177 like, hmm, with a little polish and making a couple custom tools, 00:05:26.177 --> 00:05:28.537 I can really get this Linux thing to wherever I need it. 00:05:28.797 --> 00:05:32.317 Yeah, I bet. I bet that sort of was an eye-opener. And I think, 00:05:32.437 --> 00:05:35.077 too, when you start playing with Linux, when you've been, say, 00:05:35.117 --> 00:05:37.237 a Windows user or a Mac user for a long time, 00:05:37.997 --> 00:05:41.217 if it works for you and you stick with it, you kind of discover there's this 00:05:41.217 --> 00:05:43.497 whole world of stuff out there, all these desktop environments, 00:05:43.757 --> 00:05:44.997 all these distros you can play with. 00:05:45.557 --> 00:05:48.777 And it gets really tempting, and you just kind of want to keep playing. 00:05:49.377 --> 00:05:53.037 And you discover things that might be even better than what you started with. 00:05:53.237 --> 00:05:57.257 And I suspect for DHH and the way he works, he discovered Arch and Hyperland, 00:05:57.297 --> 00:05:58.977 and it kind of unlocked something in his brain. 00:06:00.021 --> 00:06:03.641 And from that discovery process, he puts it, he just sort of went all in. 00:06:03.821 --> 00:06:07.961 And he's taken about 60 hours of research and testing of different setups to 00:06:07.961 --> 00:06:12.621 try to make like this ultimate, better than a Mac replacement for a developer workstation. 00:06:13.261 --> 00:06:18.921 And he's compiled all of that into essentially a script you can run on a base 00:06:18.921 --> 00:06:24.521 Archbox and create his next project, which is Oma Archie or Oma Archie. 00:06:24.641 --> 00:06:30.601 So you had Oma Cube and now we have Oma Archie. And this is an Arch-based system 00:06:30.601 --> 00:06:33.481 that uses Hyperland for the desktop environment. 00:06:33.641 --> 00:06:38.061 They describe it as a very opinionated Arch Hyperland setup by DHH, 00:06:38.461 --> 00:06:40.121 which we will talk about that. 00:06:40.261 --> 00:06:44.061 But on X, he recently wrote, OmaArch is ready. It's Hyperland plus Arch, 00:06:44.361 --> 00:06:46.041 and it's never been so easy. 00:06:46.261 --> 00:06:50.261 Everything comes pre-configured, pre-installed, and with six beautiful themes 00:06:50.261 --> 00:06:55.461 in the box. This is the smoothest and most pleasant operating system I've ever had under my fingers. 00:06:55.601 --> 00:06:55.901 Wow. 00:06:56.501 --> 00:06:59.481 Coming in hot in classic dhh style 00:06:59.481 --> 00:07:03.181 you it's kind of great i mean regardless of the claims and if you agree and 00:07:03.181 --> 00:07:07.581 if you like his style and setup it's just wonderful to watch someone be excited 00:07:07.581 --> 00:07:11.921 about linux i mean we obviously all are in the audiences but the amount we still 00:07:11.921 --> 00:07:15.541 all come at when we go to meetups and like look other nerds they like what we 00:07:15.541 --> 00:07:19.301 like i'm getting strong vibes with that again here and i'm just here for it. 00:07:19.301 --> 00:07:23.361 Yeah i have to say it's nice for a change to see someone just purely excited 00:07:23.361 --> 00:07:27.641 about linux we see a lot of people complaining or whatever that something's 00:07:27.641 --> 00:07:30.761 not working or their project is going in a direction they don't like but, 00:07:31.321 --> 00:07:37.801 i've mostly just seen like pure joy about the discovery of linux and it is so nice i'll. 00:07:37.801 --> 00:07:41.641 Tell you there's a meta theme that is unraveling here that i really like that 00:07:41.641 --> 00:07:47.021 i'm seeing just sort of like play out because oma archie seems to be hitting 00:07:47.021 --> 00:07:50.841 different than omacube did it's making even a bigger splash and it seems to 00:07:50.841 --> 00:07:53.421 be catching an eye of a larger wave of users, 00:07:54.434 --> 00:07:58.134 And I find this to be remarkable because Omicube is focused at first-timers, 00:07:58.254 --> 00:07:59.634 people that are just coming to Linux. 00:07:59.874 --> 00:08:05.314 And Oma Archie is theoretically targeted at more advanced users, 00:08:05.434 --> 00:08:06.514 people already familiar with Linux. 00:08:06.694 --> 00:08:11.354 However, we have been monitoring multiple reports across different social media 00:08:11.354 --> 00:08:17.074 networks of people who I would describe as brand new to Linux that are choosing 00:08:17.074 --> 00:08:19.754 to go straight to the Arch-based system, Oma Archie. 00:08:22.234 --> 00:08:25.674 Here, Evelyn Perkins I'm sorry, I'm probably getting that wrong On X wrote, alright, 00:08:25.974 --> 00:08:29.134 Oma Archie is quite something It's been a while since I've last used Linux As 00:08:29.134 --> 00:08:32.774 a daily driver, but Oma Archie Is a breeze, it's snappy, it's intuitive And 00:08:32.774 --> 00:08:35.714 it's a joy to use Sure, I had some personal tweaks here and there, 00:08:35.814 --> 00:08:38.014 like adding Ghostry And it's a dream machine now, 00:08:39.054 --> 00:08:41.974 Tahilas said on X I'm a designer using Macs 00:08:41.974 --> 00:08:46.054 for the past 14 years I have no Linux experience I decided to jump straight 00:08:46.054 --> 00:08:49.754 into Oma Archie And I'm loving it i've already made a small theme for myself 00:08:49.754 --> 00:08:54.694 and i've added some key binds and i'm using s-a-t-t-y to emulate clean shot 00:08:54.694 --> 00:08:59.154 i've replaced dropbox with own cloud on way bar etc wow. 00:08:59.154 --> 00:09:05.034 Brand new people that already feel comfortable like swapping parts out and stuff 00:09:05.034 --> 00:09:05.934 like that to make it their own. 00:09:05.934 --> 00:09:11.414 I find this to be really interesting they were not intimidated by the fact that 00:09:11.414 --> 00:09:15.254 it's described as the more technical version in fact dhh himself says go to 00:09:15.254 --> 00:09:18.094 omacube don't use omargy This is too hard. 00:09:19.194 --> 00:09:22.734 And they went, okay, I want the hard one. I want the one that doesn't look anything 00:09:22.734 --> 00:09:23.994 like what I'm used to using. 00:09:24.814 --> 00:09:27.514 And DHH was interviewed recently. We'll put a link to the interview. 00:09:27.694 --> 00:09:32.814 And he has some thoughts on why that might be and why Alma Archie, 00:09:32.994 --> 00:09:35.774 that we're using Hyperland that doesn't look anything like a Mac or doesn't 00:09:35.774 --> 00:09:36.634 look anything like Windows, 00:09:36.874 --> 00:09:40.714 might be drawing more people in than the desktops that look like something they're familiar with. 00:09:40.974 --> 00:09:46.034 And I think in this attention culture that we're in, How do you grab someone? 00:09:46.434 --> 00:09:50.694 You can try to grab them with lofty visions of open source and why it's better 00:09:50.694 --> 00:09:54.334 to own your operating system. And it totally gets some folks. 00:09:54.734 --> 00:09:57.414 And then there's an even larger group of people who just go like, 00:09:57.554 --> 00:09:59.674 yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get it that someday. 00:09:59.914 --> 00:10:03.594 But if you can hook them with some sizzle and you can hook them with, 00:10:03.794 --> 00:10:04.874 wait, wait, what's this? 00:10:05.114 --> 00:10:09.094 This is really cool. This looks amazing. This looks different. 00:10:09.274 --> 00:10:14.254 It works different. I think that might actually be more compelling, 00:10:14.494 --> 00:10:17.354 more convincing than going like, oh, no, no, it's super easy. 00:10:17.594 --> 00:10:19.494 You're going to get exactly what you already had. 00:10:20.074 --> 00:10:25.274 I've come to the conclusion that maybe we've been going around this a bit the back way. 00:10:25.454 --> 00:10:30.414 We've been trying to make it oh so easy, oh so the same. 00:10:30.594 --> 00:10:36.454 And in an attempt of that, we've kind of just lost sight of why would someone even do it then? 00:10:36.674 --> 00:10:40.094 Why would they do it? They do it for the lofty ideals and you're going to get 00:10:40.094 --> 00:10:41.594 some hardcore folks with that. 00:10:42.634 --> 00:10:45.374 This is, there's something else here, and I can feel it. 00:10:45.654 --> 00:10:50.854 He's right. What he can feel is that Linux distributions for far too long have 00:10:50.854 --> 00:10:54.854 been focused on this mythical new user that does not exist. 00:10:55.294 --> 00:11:00.414 Our next layer of demographic are these web developers and software developers, 00:11:00.534 --> 00:11:04.614 Ruby developers, and Python developers that are on Macs and that are on Windows. 00:11:05.274 --> 00:11:09.714 But they know how to use their computer. They know how to do a config file. 00:11:10.034 --> 00:11:13.654 They're not scared of this stuff. In fact, some of them probably know more about 00:11:13.654 --> 00:11:15.314 this stuff than us Linux users do. 00:11:15.814 --> 00:11:19.894 DHH wrote, Mainstream Linux distros have been focused for too long on being 00:11:19.894 --> 00:11:22.554 as similar to Windows and Mac as possible to ease adoption. 00:11:23.054 --> 00:11:25.034 I've come to believe this isn't the way. 00:11:25.574 --> 00:11:29.474 Linux needs to embrace its own aesthetic, its own ethos, unapologetically. 00:11:30.214 --> 00:11:32.554 Lean into Rice and Tuohys. 00:11:33.354 --> 00:11:34.674 Did you say Tuohys? 00:11:35.214 --> 00:11:38.254 Tuohys! that's another thing that's happening here is 00:11:38.254 --> 00:11:43.054 there's this movement of maybe you don't need some perfect graphical desktop 00:11:43.054 --> 00:11:48.194 application that matches your desktop environment maybe all you need is a terminal 00:11:48.194 --> 00:11:53.354 and a tui and maybe these tuis do just enough they're simple they're powerful 00:11:53.354 --> 00:11:56.674 they're not confusing they're not getting constantly redesigned a. 00:11:56.674 --> 00:12:00.794 Simpler aspect of the of the theming right like just by picking a consistent 00:12:00.794 --> 00:12:06.994 color scheme not necessarily consistent like uh you know window toolkit or framework 00:12:06.994 --> 00:12:11.274 you can have that kind of uh simpler version of the same thing that we've come 00:12:11.274 --> 00:12:14.054 to expect but with a lot less work. 00:12:14.054 --> 00:12:19.374 Bren are you surprised at the reports we're seeing of folks that you know 20 00:12:19.374 --> 00:12:23.734 year mac user 25 mac 25 year mac user five years on windows after leaving the 00:12:23.734 --> 00:12:28.134 mac and now i'm sick with windows these reports were seen i think our instinct 00:12:28.134 --> 00:12:30.854 would have been to send them to gnome or plasma i. 00:12:30.854 --> 00:12:33.874 Mean that has been the traditional path is send 00:12:33.874 --> 00:12:37.234 them to a place where there's tons of support right you 00:12:37.234 --> 00:12:40.154 can find documents on anything that goes wrong on 00:12:40.154 --> 00:12:44.454 those platforms tons of people who are happy with those platforms it's well 00:12:44.454 --> 00:12:51.674 understood etc etc etc so i am pleasantly surprised that hype a project like 00:12:51.674 --> 00:12:56.254 hyperland which i don't know seems like it has an extra difficulty to get into 00:12:56.254 --> 00:12:59.054 because it's like super custom very 00:12:59.434 --> 00:13:02.514 opinionated, etc. It's tiling out of the box. 00:13:02.754 --> 00:13:03.534 Well, you have to be opinionated. You need to be opinionated. 00:13:03.594 --> 00:13:06.214 That's always been my problem with Hyperland is I don't have an opinion. 00:13:06.374 --> 00:13:09.174 I need somebody to show me what it's capable of and then I'll develop an opinion. 00:13:09.314 --> 00:13:12.654 Which is where this fits perfectly, doesn't it? And that was my challenge when 00:13:12.654 --> 00:13:17.654 we came to Hyperland when we explored it a little while ago was I didn't even know where to start. 00:13:18.635 --> 00:13:22.155 And yet this seems like it's really attracting a lot of people who have the 00:13:22.155 --> 00:13:28.015 same goals as someone like DHH to just kind of step in, try it, and work from there. 00:13:28.295 --> 00:13:31.775 Wes, do you think maybe it's because it's a different kind of simple, 00:13:31.935 --> 00:13:36.875 right? It's not simple in how you change a setting or how you navigate it necessarily, 00:13:36.875 --> 00:13:38.575 but it's simple in its scope. 00:13:39.035 --> 00:13:43.215 It's simple in what it's trying to accomplish, right? When you look at Gnome 00:13:43.215 --> 00:13:47.135 and Plasma and they're trying to recreate a full desktop, these are complex, 00:13:47.335 --> 00:13:49.855 complicated pieces of software. 00:13:50.455 --> 00:13:54.395 Hyperland is more modern. It's a lot more minimal. It's not trying to do as 00:13:54.395 --> 00:13:57.115 much. You bring your own apps you're already familiar with. 00:13:57.335 --> 00:14:01.175 So maybe it's a different kind of simplicity that's appealing to this user-based type? 00:14:01.715 --> 00:14:06.695 Yeah. I mean, it's a tool you can learn, and the surface area isn't that large. 00:14:06.695 --> 00:14:11.275 And when you pair it with something like Omarchi, that's already kind of put 00:14:11.275 --> 00:14:13.555 the pieces together that you were going to have to discover, right? 00:14:13.595 --> 00:14:17.455 One of the big problems in this part of it is sort of like, okay, 00:14:17.575 --> 00:14:21.215 well, the whole idea is I put together the pieces I want and I customize them. 00:14:21.295 --> 00:14:24.375 But like what, as you're saying, what even are the options that I can do? 00:14:24.595 --> 00:14:27.475 Especially if you're not familiar with the idea of different desktop environments 00:14:27.475 --> 00:14:31.735 to begin with. So if you're coming into an environment that has like, oh, here's Bluetooth. 00:14:32.015 --> 00:14:35.175 Yes, you can see where your Wi-Fi is. Yes, you can easily launch apps. 00:14:35.175 --> 00:14:38.715 Yeah so you can get to a terminal really quick then on 00:14:38.715 --> 00:14:41.515 top of that it's yes there's a learning curve but it's 00:14:41.515 --> 00:14:44.515 kind of like the vi key bindings learning curve 00:14:44.515 --> 00:14:47.355 where it really pays off where 00:14:47.355 --> 00:14:50.535 once you know it and if you are a person who uses a 00:14:50.535 --> 00:14:53.535 computer for work and like actually have stuff to 00:14:53.535 --> 00:14:56.515 get done and sometimes dealing with the 00:14:56.515 --> 00:14:59.235 window manager or just like getting stuff going or 00:14:59.235 --> 00:15:02.055 arranged or in the right place on your desktop is that all 00:15:02.055 --> 00:15:07.355 slowing you down i mean you should watch dhh work on this thing because and 00:15:07.355 --> 00:15:10.415 this isn't right this isn't new to linux users or tiling window manager this 00:15:10.415 --> 00:15:14.675 but just you can see them fly through it and that's a super satisfying thing 00:15:14.675 --> 00:15:20.875 and it rewards the work you put in in a way that other systems don't necessarily there's. 00:15:20.875 --> 00:15:23.895 Another thing that strikes me about all of this what we're 00:15:23.895 --> 00:15:27.235 seeing succeed here isn't a 00:15:27.235 --> 00:15:30.155 corporate backed distro and it isn't a corporate backed desktop 00:15:30.155 --> 00:15:33.775 the biggest corporate backer arch 00:15:33.775 --> 00:15:37.715 linux has is valve and they're very much focused in their own domain in their 00:15:37.715 --> 00:15:43.695 own specific niche and uh vaxry certainly doesn't have a corporate sponsor it's 00:15:43.695 --> 00:15:50.575 dhh is probably one of his largest supporters now so it's to me remarkable that 00:15:50.575 --> 00:15:53.675 these two combinations are seeming to be a winning recipe here. 00:15:54.335 --> 00:15:58.615 And I just, I want to reflect on that for a moment that it's not a corporate 00:15:58.615 --> 00:16:00.335 back distro and it's not a corporate back desktop. 00:16:00.615 --> 00:16:02.455 It's like a celebrity back distro. 00:16:03.275 --> 00:16:04.855 Well, what I mean is, um, 00:16:06.763 --> 00:16:11.563 You know, Arch is winning hearts and minds over Ubuntu, 00:16:11.863 --> 00:16:18.143 and I'm not trying to carve Ubuntu out, but when you think about the Steam Deck 00:16:18.143 --> 00:16:23.123 and how they switched from a Steam runtime based on Ubuntu and for the Steam 00:16:23.123 --> 00:16:26.283 Deck switched to an Arch base, that was a big moment. 00:16:27.463 --> 00:16:30.723 And Valve seems very excited and interested in Arch. 00:16:30.863 --> 00:16:34.043 And now you see the same thing happening with DHH. He started with Ubuntu, 00:16:34.303 --> 00:16:37.563 and now he's found Arch, and he's very excited about Arch. 00:16:38.003 --> 00:16:41.383 And these new people they're bringing over, they love the AUR and stuff. 00:16:41.503 --> 00:16:45.263 They're loving having everything available at the command line to install. 00:16:45.423 --> 00:16:49.763 And that's how they're able to build these scripts to build out Omar Archie 00:16:49.763 --> 00:16:51.183 and whatnot is because of the AUR. 00:16:51.263 --> 00:16:55.943 And I just find it, Arch is doing something right. It seems to be appealing 00:16:55.943 --> 00:17:00.363 to more and more types of users even though it doesn't have a CEO telling it 00:17:00.363 --> 00:17:02.823 these are our top KPIs for the next quarter. 00:17:02.823 --> 00:17:09.363 Do you think you can put your finger on what it is about Arch other than the AUR that... 00:17:10.141 --> 00:17:12.881 Um be causing this trajectory. 00:17:12.881 --> 00:17:15.921 I mean i think part of it like you touched on it's simple 00:17:15.921 --> 00:17:18.681 and it's darn fast right plus you 00:17:18.681 --> 00:17:21.421 pair that with the existing arch wiki so there's sort of 00:17:21.421 --> 00:17:24.261 instructions for what you need to do and when you actually need to 00:17:24.261 --> 00:17:27.501 do something it's easy and it's 00:17:27.501 --> 00:17:30.341 simple and it's and it's fast like it just does not get into your way 00:17:30.341 --> 00:17:33.161 and i think while other systems that 00:17:33.161 --> 00:17:36.261 you come into might have like oh you you feel that more like 00:17:36.261 --> 00:17:39.061 everything is more completely solved or like the edge cases are 00:17:39.061 --> 00:17:41.881 really covered but to like understand how 00:17:41.881 --> 00:17:44.901 to tweak it or modify it there's a lot more you have to learn and 00:17:44.901 --> 00:17:47.721 i think in this case again it's like you're going 00:17:47.721 --> 00:17:50.481 to get rewarded because there's not that much happening with 00:17:50.481 --> 00:17:53.261 arch and most of it is really just packaging upstream stuff and so 00:17:53.261 --> 00:17:56.141 once you've seen it strung together and you've got instructions for 00:17:56.141 --> 00:17:59.061 how to modify it or tweak it right like the aur and 00:17:59.061 --> 00:18:01.861 package builds work because they're also very simple it's basically 00:18:01.861 --> 00:18:04.741 a bash script with some you know a bunch of helpers to 00:18:04.741 --> 00:18:08.321 make it easy and a whole lot of recipes you can copy and 00:18:08.321 --> 00:18:11.501 arch you know with their keep it simple stupid 00:18:11.501 --> 00:18:14.301 sort of mentality i mean you know i like 00:18:14.301 --> 00:18:17.481 more niche things like nix and very opinionated and 00:18:17.481 --> 00:18:20.481 philosophical sometimes but like arch is just very 00:18:20.481 --> 00:18:23.761 pragmatic right they don't have thoughts on purity that are going to get in 00:18:23.761 --> 00:18:27.421 the way of you running running whatever random thing you download that's why 00:18:27.421 --> 00:18:32.401 half the you know um package builds out there are extracting app images or deb's 00:18:32.401 --> 00:18:35.681 and you could pretty much get them to work on arch so i think it's just a very 00:18:35.681 --> 00:18:39.361 compatible hackable ecosystem as well i. 00:18:39.361 --> 00:18:44.821 Wonder if the pace of development of arch and also it's like lean towards modern 00:18:44.821 --> 00:18:50.021 software like quick updates and updates you can get right away is part of the 00:18:50.021 --> 00:18:52.021 reason as well especially for developers. 00:18:52.021 --> 00:18:55.281 Right you do get good hardware enable with that right you. 00:18:55.281 --> 00:18:58.121 Get latest kernel stuff i think that makes it special you're trying to run it 00:18:58.121 --> 00:19:00.381 on like a new framework or a new B-Link kind of thing. 00:19:00.781 --> 00:19:03.401 And then you combine that with the AUR, it's a nice package. 00:19:03.661 --> 00:19:08.421 In fact, it was really, really nice, I have to say, revisiting Arch this week 00:19:08.421 --> 00:19:11.681 when we gave it a go, which we did, and we'll share our thoughts on that. 00:19:14.492 --> 00:19:21.032 1password.com slash unplugged. 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The Framework, he also likes. 00:21:43.142 --> 00:21:47.542 But he also recommends like Mini's Forum stuff, System76, Tuxedo Computers. 00:21:48.402 --> 00:21:53.182 But the main one that he recommends is the b-links in the framework 13 and also 00:21:53.182 --> 00:21:57.082 i guess he's got a desktop he likes a lot so we did the right thing this week 00:21:57.082 --> 00:22:02.402 and uh pulled out the old odroid h4 plus that i've had collecting dust here 00:22:02.402 --> 00:22:06.122 from building a project server and uh we threw it on that. 00:22:06.122 --> 00:22:09.382 This thing it's such a nice little machine the odroid 00:22:09.382 --> 00:22:14.462 is such a great small size and brent has a mini itx adapter for it so it's like 00:22:14.462 --> 00:22:18.662 a little computer that uh just you know it's gonna be great for a nas we'll 00:22:18.662 --> 00:22:22.382 talk about that more later um and we did talk a little bit in self-host 138 00:22:22.382 --> 00:22:27.242 i think dhh would like the o droid h4 if you looked at it it's essentially an 00:22:27.242 --> 00:22:28.702 all intel system that's silent, 00:22:29.202 --> 00:22:33.822 um it just requires a little diy uh but of course arch is a total breeze to 00:22:33.822 --> 00:22:37.942 install on that thing it's absolutely no problem and maybe we should start there 00:22:37.942 --> 00:22:41.962 arch has gotten way nicer to install, 00:22:42.502 --> 00:22:46.302 You just, when it boots up now, because that was one of the things I was wondering, by the way. 00:22:46.402 --> 00:22:51.342 It's like, how are all these guys that have never ran Linux getting going on Arch so easily? 00:22:51.962 --> 00:22:54.922 Well, because all you got to do now is type in Arch installer, 00:22:55.262 --> 00:22:59.522 and you get a quite nice NCurses installer that walks you through all the basic 00:22:59.522 --> 00:23:02.582 questions and manages to give you a pretty powerful setup. 00:23:02.962 --> 00:23:05.922 This is not your grandpappy's Chris Lass Arch, no, no. 00:23:06.662 --> 00:23:10.942 This was the first time you used that installer, Chris. And throughout the process, 00:23:10.962 --> 00:23:13.702 you were like, wait wait wait wait this is so easy. 00:23:13.702 --> 00:23:16.382 I loved it i loved it and i'm so it doesn't need to be 00:23:16.382 --> 00:23:19.722 graphical it doesn't need to be it just needs to be competent and 00:23:19.722 --> 00:23:22.422 and just enough and so i got you know a 00:23:22.422 --> 00:23:25.382 really nice butterfs with sub volume set up uh the 00:23:25.382 --> 00:23:29.962 networking was all set up and uh it was just a minimal mvp install of arch which 00:23:29.962 --> 00:23:33.842 is all you really need because once you have a basic arch install or you can 00:23:33.842 --> 00:23:36.302 do it from an existing arch but once you have a basic arch install you just 00:23:36.302 --> 00:23:40.202 you know do the right thing and w get that script throw it right into bash and 00:23:40.202 --> 00:23:42.462 uh it should be safe No problem at all. 00:23:43.022 --> 00:23:46.722 One little note here while you're installing that I thought was interesting 00:23:46.722 --> 00:23:50.102 was that Omarchi requires disk encryption. 00:23:50.582 --> 00:23:54.242 That's just as it's designed. And I thought, you know, me and encryption, 00:23:54.242 --> 00:23:55.702 I think that's a really nice thing. 00:23:56.102 --> 00:23:58.962 Because why not use it everywhere? So I thought that was a nice, 00:23:59.202 --> 00:24:03.402 you know, this is a, I don't know, I'm doing air quotes distro because are we calling it that yet? 00:24:03.542 --> 00:24:06.862 But it's a distro that is opinionated. And I like this opinion. 00:24:07.062 --> 00:24:08.282 It's not a distro yet. 00:24:09.586 --> 00:24:12.766 I think he mentioned it is a goal. It's tricky. 00:24:12.786 --> 00:24:16.346 I wonder if there's some issues with software distribution because he's distributing 00:24:16.346 --> 00:24:19.566 a lot of different types of software and technically you're running the script 00:24:19.566 --> 00:24:20.646 and pulling those things down. 00:24:21.066 --> 00:24:23.106 So there may be a difference there in distribution. 00:24:23.746 --> 00:24:27.446 I don't use encryption by default unless it's a very specific system, 00:24:27.446 --> 00:24:28.906 but the logic makes sense here. 00:24:28.986 --> 00:24:33.726 They set up auto-login by default and so they just want the system to be a little more protected. 00:24:33.946 --> 00:24:38.246 I think it works too in the sense that the systems I don't care about having 00:24:38.246 --> 00:24:42.026 auto-login on are also the ones I don't care about encryption on and sort of vice versa. 00:24:42.686 --> 00:24:46.826 Yeah, that's probably true. It's worth 10 minutes reading through the manual. 00:24:47.006 --> 00:24:50.566 They've set up a nice, simple manual that gives you kind of the overview of 00:24:50.566 --> 00:24:52.806 the tools they've selected. Again, it's opinionated. 00:24:53.446 --> 00:24:56.306 And the key bindings that are set up, and there's a lot of them. 00:24:56.866 --> 00:25:00.626 And some of the defaults that you should know about and the way to execute applications. 00:25:00.726 --> 00:25:03.486 So the manual, it's lean, mean, and great. 00:25:03.626 --> 00:25:07.666 So I want to give a big plug for that. We'll have links to that in the show 00:25:07.666 --> 00:25:08.826 notes because you're going to need that. 00:25:09.226 --> 00:25:11.926 You are, because you really can't do anything until you know at least some of 00:25:11.926 --> 00:25:15.226 the keyboard shortcuts, because by default, you can't actually click on anything 00:25:15.226 --> 00:25:18.206 to get much to happen besides, I don't know, maybe setting up Bluetooth. 00:25:18.586 --> 00:25:21.626 Yeah, there's a couple of icons you can click to get like, you know, Btop and whatnot. 00:25:21.826 --> 00:25:27.406 But it is a keyboard first environment. It's meant for you to embrace the keyboard. 00:25:27.866 --> 00:25:30.626 Obviously, you can use the mouse inside your applications and whatnot, 00:25:30.806 --> 00:25:34.406 but manipulating the windows, launching applications, changing their location, 00:25:34.706 --> 00:25:37.126 all their size, all of that, it's meant to be done with the keyboard. 00:25:37.246 --> 00:25:38.746 So you want to just take a minute to go over those. 00:25:39.226 --> 00:25:42.466 You know i was hesitant to be just thrown into hyperland 00:25:42.466 --> 00:25:45.366 by default like this because the last time we tried hyperland i 00:25:45.366 --> 00:25:49.366 kind of bounced off it pretty pretty hard but coming back to the manual again 00:25:49.366 --> 00:25:53.666 it's a actually one of the best introductions i've seen to hyperland and like 00:25:53.666 --> 00:26:00.486 how to come to a tiling window manager like this and not bounce off it immediately 00:26:00.486 --> 00:26:03.726 and so i would argue it was one of 00:26:03.746 --> 00:26:10.486 the best descriptions of how to embrace Hyperland and that style of dealing 00:26:10.486 --> 00:26:12.686 with applications and moving Windows around. 00:26:12.846 --> 00:26:16.186 So I would, even if you're not gonna use this, if you're interested in Hyperland 00:26:16.186 --> 00:26:18.746 and finding success with Hyperland, it's a good place to start. 00:26:18.846 --> 00:26:21.866 Yeah, it gives you an idea of what you can do with it. And that was what I really 00:26:21.866 --> 00:26:26.366 appreciated about this is it gave me a sense of, oh, okay, so this is how I 00:26:26.366 --> 00:26:27.346 could configure Hyperland. 00:26:27.986 --> 00:26:30.026 And boy, it is smooth. It is really nice. 00:26:31.196 --> 00:26:35.516 I liked a lot of the options. Using LazyVim, I think it's nice. It's a nice touch. 00:26:35.996 --> 00:26:42.796 Having NeoVim set up in their TUIs like LazyDocker and whatnot and LazyGit are 00:26:42.796 --> 00:26:44.776 included. I think that's really great to see. 00:26:46.476 --> 00:26:50.196 Some of the design seems like it's really more focused at people coming from 00:26:50.196 --> 00:26:52.956 Macs. You noticed the Chrome zoom issue? 00:26:53.156 --> 00:26:54.276 Oh, I did. 00:26:54.576 --> 00:26:57.696 Yeah, that's, I think, because a lot of people that are coming from Macs that 00:26:57.696 --> 00:27:01.656 are high DPI. And so some of these things just expect you to have a pixel double display. 00:27:01.896 --> 00:27:05.736 You mean the display I plugged into the O-Droid is not compatible with that? 00:27:05.896 --> 00:27:08.296 No. See, some of those things didn't quite work right. 00:27:08.516 --> 00:27:13.776 You can tell because they also ship the specific Apple display brightness control utility. 00:27:14.176 --> 00:27:19.036 Yes. Yeah, Wes, so there's an element of this that I'm sure they've received 00:27:19.036 --> 00:27:22.076 a lot of feedback about because they have an FAQ on the website that's like, 00:27:22.116 --> 00:27:24.056 how do I remove the software I don't use? 00:27:25.016 --> 00:27:29.656 There's a lot that gets included that I don't use from, you know, 00:27:29.736 --> 00:27:30.696 just a whole litany of things. 00:27:30.836 --> 00:27:33.096 I'm wondering how you felt about that as somebody who usually, 00:27:33.236 --> 00:27:36.736 you know, is very specific, has very specific control over the software that goes on their machine. 00:27:36.996 --> 00:27:39.276 How do you, how do you feel about that process? 00:27:39.676 --> 00:27:43.276 Yeah, it's not necessarily my favorite out of the box. I think it is very much 00:27:43.276 --> 00:27:49.636 optimized for like, this is the machine I use for my corporate development work, right? 00:27:49.696 --> 00:27:52.576 Where I need Zoom because I do Zoom meetings and one password to log 00:27:52.576 --> 00:27:55.336 into my company's account and you know a bunch of things 00:27:55.336 --> 00:27:58.516 like that so for my personal development work 00:27:58.516 --> 00:28:01.496 yeah not exactly optimized but i will say right 00:28:01.496 --> 00:28:04.256 like at the end of the day this is just a series of pretty 00:28:04.256 --> 00:28:07.356 nice bash scripts with different 00:28:07.356 --> 00:28:12.496 you know essentially modules for the different components so uh not only can 00:28:12.496 --> 00:28:16.776 you of course rely on you know pac-man and yay to remove things at that level 00:28:16.776 --> 00:28:21.356 if you'd like to after the fact you could definitely fork it and comment things 00:28:21.356 --> 00:28:25.236 out or add on stuff that you want to install that doesn't get included by default. 00:28:25.596 --> 00:28:29.596 Yeah, it is a bash script. And so you could just modify the bash script. And... 00:28:30.482 --> 00:28:33.362 I'm just going to take a moment. We'll just go down this lane just for a moment. 00:28:34.202 --> 00:28:39.082 This is where you begin to go, oh, if DHH understood what Nix was, 00:28:39.082 --> 00:28:40.742 we wouldn't be doing this with Bash. 00:28:41.522 --> 00:28:46.442 And DHH does not understand what Nix is. He posted on social media, 00:28:46.622 --> 00:28:49.122 he said, quote, I don't think Nix OS is for me. 00:28:49.322 --> 00:28:54.142 Where I think Nix can fit in supremely well is for isolated development environments. 00:28:54.262 --> 00:28:56.002 Basically what DevM is doing. 00:28:57.102 --> 00:29:00.722 So he seems to maybe grasp like, five 00:29:00.722 --> 00:29:03.802 percent of it but it hasn't clicked and i 00:29:03.802 --> 00:29:06.542 i only bring this up because out of all of 00:29:06.542 --> 00:29:09.582 the people out there where nix is a good use case people building 00:29:09.582 --> 00:29:12.602 systems like this have got to be at the absolute top of 00:29:12.602 --> 00:29:16.222 the list right like i'm i'm number 25 on 00:29:16.222 --> 00:29:19.082 the list and i'm very satisfied when i use it he should be 00:29:19.082 --> 00:29:22.762 like number one or two on the list so i really do hope that his journey continues 00:29:22.762 --> 00:29:26.982 and that after he you know has exhausted his excitement with arch he does take 00:29:26.982 --> 00:29:33.562 another look at nixos because if he distributed this as a module where i could 00:29:33.562 --> 00:29:38.482 just turn certain things on or off it would be absolutely chef's kiss perfect. 00:29:38.482 --> 00:29:41.722 Yeah it would take hackability and shareability i 00:29:41.722 --> 00:29:44.582 think to the next level and then one thing too is it would be kind of maybe 00:29:44.582 --> 00:29:47.422 an optimization in the sense that the plus side 00:29:47.422 --> 00:29:50.202 to having everything be separate bash scripts is like i said 00:29:50.202 --> 00:29:53.142 right it's pretty easy to modify in terms of just disabling them removing them 00:29:53.142 --> 00:29:56.162 adding stuff to it the downside is they each 00:29:56.162 --> 00:29:59.302 just run right like it goes through and does each of the bash scripts 00:29:59.302 --> 00:30:03.082 that it needs to do and that means each one of those doesn't have any idea about 00:30:03.082 --> 00:30:07.142 which other ones are running and it doesn't do anything fancy like compile the 00:30:07.142 --> 00:30:10.722 total list of packages to install after running all them so what actually happens 00:30:10.722 --> 00:30:15.542 is each module does its own like pac-man and yay build which doesn't make anything 00:30:15.542 --> 00:30:19.042 faster it also makes me wonder like how well does Is this more, 00:30:19.482 --> 00:30:24.322 how much item potency can you bake in in terms of like changes or updates? 00:30:24.422 --> 00:30:28.022 Is it going to be easier to just pave an arch system and install a newer version 00:30:28.022 --> 00:30:31.262 if there's radical changes versus be able to involve a place? I don't know. 00:30:32.002 --> 00:30:36.342 Right. How does it deal with AUR rot and things like that, too, are a question. 00:30:36.542 --> 00:30:40.262 But, you know, when we were going through it, a couple of things aired out. 00:30:40.282 --> 00:30:44.962 And it made me realize, too, if this was a Nix process, it would build. 00:30:45.022 --> 00:30:48.842 And it would verify it builds before it actually implemented. and 00:30:48.842 --> 00:30:51.762 that would also mean that all of the updates the DHH 00:30:51.762 --> 00:30:54.602 ships would be atomic and would be built and then you 00:30:54.602 --> 00:30:59.182 people would switch over to them and so system system updates going forward 00:30:59.182 --> 00:31:04.162 would be more reliable for all the OMA Archie or OMA Nix users so the the two 00:31:04.162 --> 00:31:08.322 things that I missed setting up is that it doesn't it like Wes said each individual 00:31:08.322 --> 00:31:10.962 component and process isn't really aware of the other so there isn't like a 00:31:10.962 --> 00:31:14.402 global check and build that verifies everything's working and everything's available. 00:31:14.862 --> 00:31:20.102 And then there isn't this sort of atomic update and check down the road as they 00:31:20.102 --> 00:31:22.342 issue more updates. And they've already done a round of updates. 00:31:22.762 --> 00:31:26.162 And one of the things too, that as a system builder, if DHH is listening to 00:31:26.162 --> 00:31:30.122 this, they recently just switched from VLC to MPV. Great choice. 00:31:30.910 --> 00:31:36.750 With Nix, when you switch to MPV, it was like VLC never existed on that system. 00:31:36.970 --> 00:31:40.750 Like it was never there. It was never in the DNA of the system at all. 00:31:40.850 --> 00:31:43.890 It's gone. And if you change out any other component, it's like that as well. 00:31:44.330 --> 00:31:49.030 It's very clean. It's surgical. And the one thing you will find with Arch over 00:31:49.030 --> 00:31:52.850 time, you might not want to remove a lot of software. 00:31:53.050 --> 00:31:56.630 As you start uninstalling things on Arch, as you have more things installed, 00:31:56.810 --> 00:32:01.090 it will start to get a little gamey with you. And you'll have to start answering 00:32:01.090 --> 00:32:02.470 questions and doing some dances. 00:32:03.170 --> 00:32:08.110 Those scenarios do not, will not, cannot exist in Nix. It's very clean. 00:32:08.650 --> 00:32:14.350 Because you're building essentially a new state. One that VLC never existed, now MPP exists. 00:32:14.690 --> 00:32:18.630 And so that is built like it was always that way. And it's so elegant. 00:32:18.790 --> 00:32:20.510 And especially when you're distributing software. Okay. 00:32:21.570 --> 00:32:24.710 End of the Nix diversion. I just, I had to make that point if you're building 00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:29.110 a system. It seems like the way to go. But, that aside. 00:32:29.990 --> 00:32:33.970 I thought, really well put together system if I just took off things like I 00:32:33.970 --> 00:32:36.850 don't need Zoom. I don't need a couple of other things. 00:32:38.110 --> 00:32:40.930 And I do like a couple of things that were included. Like the Web2 app, 00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:43.390 I think, is a really nice addition. 00:32:43.610 --> 00:32:49.670 It's essentially, I think it's a bash script that creates a local-looking application 00:32:49.670 --> 00:32:51.810 out of a website. It creates a .desktop launcher. 00:32:52.110 --> 00:32:55.230 It downloads a PNG icon. It looks really great. 00:32:55.530 --> 00:32:57.350 It was also extremely easy to 00:32:57.350 --> 00:33:01.070 use. I made a little web app out of the JB website in about three minutes. 00:33:01.710 --> 00:33:05.750 And this has been a feature you've been asking for, Chris, for years now. 00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:11.330 Yeah. So I think it's, I don't know. So I'm not saying all the additions are bad. 00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:14.930 I think some of them are actually really great. Wes, what about anything you 00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:17.090 saw that you're like, oh, I don't know if this is going to work or anything 00:33:17.090 --> 00:33:18.410 you thought was really nice to see added? 00:33:18.870 --> 00:33:24.530 I thought it was interesting that they're using Mise as a mise en place, which is, 00:33:25.743 --> 00:33:29.183 not really a Nix alternative, not really a brew alternative, 00:33:29.443 --> 00:33:31.683 but is specifically targeted at developers. 00:33:32.343 --> 00:33:37.263 And maybe you've seen things like RBN, basically, hey, I'm working on different 00:33:37.263 --> 00:33:41.503 projects, and they each need a slightly different version of Python or Ruby or Node.js. 00:33:41.843 --> 00:33:43.163 And the kind of thing that like 00:33:43.163 --> 00:33:46.803 your, you know, the system package manager isn't really optimized for. 00:33:47.283 --> 00:33:52.383 And so Mies has got all of that, including included also as like Elixir, 00:33:52.563 --> 00:33:56.943 there's a wide language support so it can install those things and manage them 00:33:56.943 --> 00:34:03.303 per project for you and it can also handle environmental variables secrets and 00:34:03.303 --> 00:34:09.403 it's got a task runner kind of like just or make all built into um one little app. 00:34:09.403 --> 00:34:12.803 That is a pretty clever inclusion i like 00:34:12.803 --> 00:34:15.843 that um the other there's other just small things 00:34:15.843 --> 00:34:18.723 that they've done so they have super keys to go right 00:34:18.723 --> 00:34:21.523 to a music player so super m launches spotify i'd probably 00:34:21.523 --> 00:34:24.803 swap that out to something else uh super t launches 00:34:24.803 --> 00:34:28.723 your activity monitor super g launches 00:34:28.723 --> 00:34:34.023 signal super d launches lazy docker super o launches obsidian there's a lot 00:34:34.023 --> 00:34:37.843 of little things you can map to these hotkeys and once you learn this i would 00:34:37.843 --> 00:34:41.163 love like some sort of printout of all of this you really can move on the system 00:34:41.163 --> 00:34:45.923 so i'd say probably after two hours of playing with it i felt like i wasn't 00:34:45.923 --> 00:34:47.423 even going to my mouse and then, 00:34:48.823 --> 00:34:53.643 i was in a chat and i realized that they have mapped uh hotkeys for emojis yeah. 00:34:53.643 --> 00:34:54.963 So useful yeah. 00:34:54.963 --> 00:34:59.823 Yeah and so they use the cap locks key cap locks ms is a smile right or like 00:34:59.823 --> 00:35:05.223 cap lock key and then m h is a heart emoji lock yeah it's yeah caps lock is 00:35:05.223 --> 00:35:09.343 now the emoji lock key basically it's so fun you'll. 00:35:09.343 --> 00:35:13.483 Also notice that when you uh when you get installed it asks for your name and 00:35:13.483 --> 00:35:16.943 email because that is also set up with an auto-completion key, 00:35:17.163 --> 00:35:20.023 which I think maybe says something about DHH's general workflows. 00:35:21.103 --> 00:35:25.243 I think a lot of this, I'm like, I think I got a lot of impressions of his workflow 00:35:25.243 --> 00:35:26.123 through this, actually. 00:35:26.263 --> 00:35:30.843 I do want to add really quick that the Wofi, the launcher, is very nice. 00:35:31.063 --> 00:35:35.103 And, you know, with the rest of the theming, which DHH did a great job with, 00:35:35.203 --> 00:35:36.323 it really integrates nicely. 00:35:36.483 --> 00:35:39.003 I mean, you don't need it a ton once you learn all the shortcuts or add your 00:35:39.003 --> 00:35:40.883 own, but as a fallback, that's just right there. 00:35:41.263 --> 00:35:44.843 I mean, it's, you know, giving krunner a good run for its money yeah i agree. 00:35:44.843 --> 00:35:48.683 One thing i'm enjoying about these like hyper 00:35:48.683 --> 00:35:51.363 opinionated versions of linux is that we 00:35:51.363 --> 00:35:55.763 get a little tiny peer into how someone uses their computer and you know that's 00:35:55.763 --> 00:35:59.383 one of my favorite things like just watching west solve a problem is a very 00:35:59.383 --> 00:36:02.223 different way than i would approach it and you learn new things so like these 00:36:02.223 --> 00:36:07.423 little shortcuts for instance is like oh wait i can integrate that into my computing 00:36:07.423 --> 00:36:09.643 life And my lifestyle gets better. 00:36:09.803 --> 00:36:14.383 And so I hope we get to see more of these from more people. Like there are lessons 00:36:14.383 --> 00:36:16.743 learned on how to do this maybe a little bit better. 00:36:17.885 --> 00:36:22.045 Or that will be more well supported in the future you know when you think we're 00:36:22.045 --> 00:36:26.025 trying it today but what happens six months down the road when this is like 00:36:26.025 --> 00:36:30.105 crufty and stuff but but i want to get more like insights into how people are 00:36:30.105 --> 00:36:31.205 using their computers it. 00:36:31.205 --> 00:36:35.405 Is it is out of all of the you know distro isn't it yet but out of all of the 00:36:35.405 --> 00:36:39.705 custom linux desktop setups it's the one where i feel like you're the most connected 00:36:39.705 --> 00:36:42.985 with its creator and you have the most insight into how he uses his computer. 00:36:43.445 --> 00:36:46.905 And I think A, DHH is a well-known figure in the Mac community, 00:36:47.145 --> 00:36:48.105 the Mac development community. 00:36:48.365 --> 00:36:55.605 And B, since he's a 25 plus year Mac user, he's probably just by osmosis shaped 00:36:55.605 --> 00:36:57.485 the way he sort of views his workflow. 00:36:57.705 --> 00:37:01.465 And that I imagine is true for a lot of other developers that have been on the 00:37:01.465 --> 00:37:02.705 Mac workflow for a long time. 00:37:03.185 --> 00:37:06.405 So because he was sort of a Mac native creating a Linux workflow, 00:37:06.665 --> 00:37:09.405 I think he's created something that appeals to so many of those same 00:37:09.405 --> 00:37:12.725 people like i i saw i saw on reddit somebody that 00:37:12.725 --> 00:37:15.645 uh you know they have a mac studio and they 00:37:15.645 --> 00:37:18.685 went out on amazon and for like the cost of 00:37:18.685 --> 00:37:21.885 the upgrade of ram on their mac studio they bought an entire b-link computer 00:37:21.885 --> 00:37:26.965 amazing the entire computer hooked it up to their apple display and put omar 00:37:26.965 --> 00:37:30.165 g on there and they're using that now and they they got it you know they spent 00:37:30.165 --> 00:37:33.385 they spent all that money they spent like you know several grand on a mac studio 00:37:33.385 --> 00:37:36.285 and now they're using like a 600 dollar b-link. 00:37:36.285 --> 00:37:40.865 It kind of breaks down the value proposition of the apple ecosystem a bit doesn't it. 00:37:40.865 --> 00:37:43.585 Yeah i mean i i hope apple's paying attention well 00:37:43.585 --> 00:37:46.625 actually i don't i don't i i 00:37:46.625 --> 00:37:52.345 like it and i what's also what's so great about it is it's winning because it's 00:37:52.345 --> 00:37:56.705 not competing on apple same terms right like what you're seeing here the framework 00:37:56.705 --> 00:38:01.545 that's an anti-macbook the b-link it's an anti-mac right you can open up those 00:38:01.545 --> 00:38:04.025 b-links you can put your own memory and you can You can put your own hard drive in. 00:38:04.065 --> 00:38:07.445 You can put multiple hard drives in them. They're the ant, and they're cheap. 00:38:08.045 --> 00:38:11.985 They're as much as component upgrades for an entire Mac. So like they're the anti-Mac, right? 00:38:13.830 --> 00:38:17.470 The Hyperland interface and all of this stuff that they're installing. 00:38:17.690 --> 00:38:21.350 It's so anti-Apple. There's no App Store involved. There's no Gatekeeper at 00:38:21.350 --> 00:38:25.090 all. It's all free software. It's all maintained and getting updated. 00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:30.890 It's the antithesis of the Mac in its interface and how you use it, how it's distributed. 00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:34.330 And yet it's winning. That's what's brought these people over. 00:38:34.490 --> 00:38:38.070 We have created, well, not we, the world of free software. And then DHH has 00:38:38.070 --> 00:38:40.470 brought it all together and created something that's like the anti-Mac. 00:38:40.870 --> 00:38:42.690 And that's what's appealing to these people. 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:47.070 Well, I wonder if they're realizing that they've reached the limits of what 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:48.150 the Mac is offering them, 00:38:48.310 --> 00:38:52.070 much like I did when I moved to Linux, and then seeing like, 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:55.390 oh, wait, if I just have a little bit of a learning curve, like you do on any 00:38:55.390 --> 00:39:01.530 new pieces of hardware or software that you use, you get a whole new set of superpowers. Yeah. 00:39:01.870 --> 00:39:06.190 You got to go into it accepting the premise it's going to be different and that 00:39:06.190 --> 00:39:09.090 you're not looking for one-to-one replacements. But if you're lucky, 00:39:09.250 --> 00:39:12.410 you may find something that's even better, that's even more efficient, 00:39:12.430 --> 00:39:13.390 that helps you get work done. 00:39:13.970 --> 00:39:16.170 So, man, it's exciting to watch. 00:39:16.830 --> 00:39:21.910 And I was excited when Omicube came out. And it's nice to see this hasn't faded, 00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:23.670 this passion and this drive. 00:39:23.750 --> 00:39:26.510 And then when he does this, you see this whole wave of people. 00:39:26.510 --> 00:39:29.790 I mean, we could sit here and I could read you 30 different posts that I collected 00:39:29.790 --> 00:39:32.350 over the last week and a half of people talking about switching. 00:39:32.490 --> 00:39:35.370 It's just absolutely bonkers. So great work from DHH. 00:39:35.650 --> 00:39:39.110 I thought it was interesting watching him comment on it and just that one of 00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:44.770 the things that stood out for him is he got excited seeing stuff on Unix porn and people's setup, 00:39:45.370 --> 00:39:49.730 and seeing that like the potential was there, sort of acknowledging all that 00:39:49.730 --> 00:39:54.770 Linux could do and seeing like, oh, this really just needs more visibility and 00:39:54.770 --> 00:39:56.690 a bit of the stumbling blocks removed. 00:39:56.690 --> 00:40:01.010 And he sort of saw himself as being in a perfect position to solve both of those. 00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:05.110 And then goes and pours, what'd you say, 60 plus hours of work into that. 00:40:05.210 --> 00:40:07.590 And I think kind of hit it out of the park. 00:40:10.430 --> 00:40:16.230 Unraid.net slash self-hosted. 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I'm wondering, 00:42:54.591 --> 00:42:57.851 do you have any observations, perhaps, that have occurred to you, 00:42:57.851 --> 00:43:00.311 or any oddities you'd like to share with the show? 00:43:00.531 --> 00:43:05.311 You know, Wes, I don't know if this is uncouth, but we came straight to Brent's 00:43:05.311 --> 00:43:09.651 family property, met the family, and I gotta say, Wes, all these Canadians look 00:43:09.651 --> 00:43:11.991 alike to me. They, I mean, almost identical. 00:43:12.691 --> 00:43:15.531 It's really something. So there's that. That's been strange. 00:43:15.791 --> 00:43:18.171 Like, it's hard to tell them apart. I have to be honest with you. 00:43:18.431 --> 00:43:21.111 That sounds offensive, but in this case, I think it's actually true. 00:43:22.311 --> 00:43:27.371 You know something's been on my mind during our travels here because you know 00:43:27.371 --> 00:43:30.691 as always you take some time off and then like a whole bunch of stuff goes on 00:43:30.691 --> 00:43:36.411 and uh in the last week or so one of the largest youtubers in the world pewdiepie 00:43:36.411 --> 00:43:39.711 discovered arch discovered graphene os 00:43:40.131 --> 00:43:44.111 discovered self-hosting and you know sovereignty and data and things like that 00:43:44.111 --> 00:43:48.691 and of course we just talked about dhh and discovering arch linux and hyperland 00:43:48.691 --> 00:43:52.471 and things like that i guess i thought Nobody was ever going to talk about these 00:43:52.471 --> 00:43:55.431 things but us and the Linux community in general. 00:43:55.951 --> 00:43:58.831 Because it just seemed like these topics that we've been talking about for four 00:43:58.831 --> 00:44:04.471 or five years, we're just never going to break into the next echelon of community and conversation. 00:44:04.651 --> 00:44:07.691 The next wider group of users. 00:44:08.651 --> 00:44:12.831 And then PewDiePie comes along and he manages to make a successful video around 00:44:12.831 --> 00:44:17.911 graphing OS and Arch and rising his setup. 00:44:17.911 --> 00:44:25.831 And it made me realize that we were early by years to some of these things. 00:44:26.071 --> 00:44:34.291 We were so early that it's to our deficit. It's to our own self-harm. 00:44:35.271 --> 00:44:38.071 Because we talk about these things before they're 00:44:38.071 --> 00:44:42.431 interesting to a wider population which because what it means is we're 00:44:42.431 --> 00:44:45.211 making things that for an audience that is that is smart enough to 00:44:45.211 --> 00:44:48.071 understand and appreciate why talking about these things before 00:44:48.071 --> 00:44:50.811 everybody else is important and that's what made me 00:44:50.811 --> 00:44:53.651 realize how much this show is going 00:44:53.651 --> 00:44:56.551 to only live or die on support from 00:44:56.551 --> 00:45:00.551 this audience because we are making a show for such a niche like 00:45:00.551 --> 00:45:05.191 i i we talk about things so early so ahead of the rest of the mainstream that 00:45:05.191 --> 00:45:08.071 i actually just thought the rest of the mainstream was never going to talk about 00:45:08.071 --> 00:45:11.851 these things because it's been years and i just thought okay well this is just 00:45:11.851 --> 00:45:12.891 to our little circle this is 00:45:12.891 --> 00:45:16.611 just for us to know but no it does eventually break through we were just, 00:45:17.451 --> 00:45:21.431 early which means you as a listener were early which means we're making content 00:45:21.431 --> 00:45:26.231 for a very select group of people and that group of people if they want to keep 00:45:26.231 --> 00:45:30.271 it going we need their support so i'm so grateful for our members who do support 00:45:30.271 --> 00:45:34.011 this show some of you signed up after our member special preview last week. 00:45:34.091 --> 00:45:36.851 We could use some more. 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Thank you, everybody. 00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:03.800 And we do have some boost to get into in that regard because you can support 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:08.360 each episode with an entirely open stack using peer-to-peer software with a boost. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.680 And Fountain FM has had some major improvements. 00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:18.740 Totally new playback UI, brilliant refactoring of the library, 00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:21.400 architecture tweaks that save battery life. 00:46:21.520 --> 00:46:24.620 And now if you're a premium member too, you can have one open up right to your 00:46:24.620 --> 00:46:25.880 library, not the home feed. 00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:31.700 And they're making it easier and easier to boost for first timers and long timers. 00:46:31.700 --> 00:46:35.560 So if you've ever thought about trying out Fountain FM and you want all the, 00:46:35.560 --> 00:46:38.460 you know, the transcripts, the chapters and all that stuff and the boosting, 00:46:38.640 --> 00:46:41.620 it's a great time to boost and try out Fountain. 00:46:41.860 --> 00:46:48.020 And we have a boost from Mr. Turd Ferguson, who is our baller booster this week. 00:46:52.900 --> 00:46:59.460 44,880 sats says, I hope you enjoyed the week off. Did you do anything fun? Yes. We went swimming. 00:46:59.780 --> 00:47:02.760 We went hiking. Well, not much hiking, but we had to hike to go swimming. 00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:07.640 He says, if you guys were traveling back to the 80s and could only bring one 00:47:07.640 --> 00:47:10.760 piece of modern technology, which would you bring with you? 00:47:11.160 --> 00:47:11.460 Ooh. 00:47:12.660 --> 00:47:13.060 Wow. 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.320 At first I thought cell phone, but it's kind of pointless because you wouldn't 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:17.780 have a way to charge it necessarily. 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:24.260 Yeah, then I thought laptop, but internet is not really widely distributed or anything like that. 00:47:24.600 --> 00:47:28.060 Like there's no data. There'd be no cellular data. so there's really no point 00:47:28.060 --> 00:47:31.420 in having a cellular phone, or a lap, well maybe a laptop, 00:47:32.854 --> 00:47:33.534 What would you do with it? 00:47:33.534 --> 00:47:35.194 Would you bring your ASP32s? 00:47:35.914 --> 00:47:37.634 Yeah, but there's no Wi-Fi to connect to. 00:47:37.734 --> 00:47:39.274 Oh, yeah. God, I keep forgetting that. 00:47:39.274 --> 00:47:43.414 Yeah, I think you guys are forgetting that this is as much a smuggling operation as anything else. 00:47:43.454 --> 00:47:47.474 So if you do bring a laptop, right, you can include the Linux kernel source 00:47:47.474 --> 00:47:52.134 code on that laptop, as well as maybe some minor stock price, you know, data. 00:47:52.594 --> 00:47:56.234 And then you'll be able to be the creator of Linux. And then, 00:47:56.294 --> 00:47:58.794 Chris, you can, you know, approve whatever you want for the kernel. 00:47:58.994 --> 00:48:02.394 You're right. That's how I get BcacheFS in earlier. I like this, 00:48:02.654 --> 00:48:04.254 Biff. That's a good plan. 00:48:04.574 --> 00:48:08.174 In fact, that's how you could just, you could become Sneaky the top contributor. 00:48:08.414 --> 00:48:11.634 You know, or like the Bitcoin white paper, you stick that on the laptop too. 00:48:12.414 --> 00:48:12.914 Ooh. 00:48:13.454 --> 00:48:18.514 I think the play though is more like a Star Trek villain play where you want 00:48:18.514 --> 00:48:24.154 to like accumulate a piece of technology that you can like reverse engineer 00:48:24.154 --> 00:48:28.014 over your lifetime and just keep getting rich and rich and rich as you like, 00:48:28.374 --> 00:48:32.364 you know, reveal one more piece of like a robot hand or like a chip or something 00:48:32.364 --> 00:48:35.364 like that you know what i'm saying like that's the move so when i'm thinking 00:48:35.364 --> 00:48:37.784 about that kind of thing i'm almost wondering like, 00:48:38.384 --> 00:48:42.184 what about a uh like an automobile like a modern day automobile because they 00:48:42.184 --> 00:48:46.204 got computers they got combustion you know like parts in there for the engine 00:48:46.204 --> 00:48:49.904 like there's stuff in there that you can get rich off for the rest of your life so as. 00:48:49.904 --> 00:48:53.944 You were saying that i was imagining like the mars rover and the mars helicopter. 00:48:53.944 --> 00:48:54.284 Because they. 00:48:54.284 --> 00:48:55.344 Got some fancy stuff. 00:48:55.344 --> 00:48:59.464 In there I'm thinking that's the way to go. It's like a whole vehicle. 00:48:59.684 --> 00:49:03.404 Because these things are basically cars on computers now, right? So that's my thinking. 00:49:04.124 --> 00:49:05.824 Thank you, Turd. Appreciate the boost. 00:49:06.304 --> 00:49:09.264 Otter Brain boosts in with 10,000 sats. 00:49:14.419 --> 00:49:20.279 Inspired by the two-week challenge, I took a deep dive into NeoVim configuration on NixOS. 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.879 Really, a rabbit hole of telescope, tree sitter, and lap. 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.499 I eventually discovered NixVim. Wes, have you seen this? 00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:34.219 Greatly simplified and tidied up my configuration. I mean, Helix is great too, 00:49:34.459 --> 00:49:38.599 but I really get that little squirt of dopamine customizing a tool. 00:49:38.919 --> 00:49:40.419 Is there a name for this condition? 00:49:41.919 --> 00:49:44.299 Yeah, what is that? When you're on that, yeah, I love that. 00:49:44.299 --> 00:49:46.179 That dialed in ever so right. 00:49:46.339 --> 00:49:47.039 The dopamine configuration. 00:49:47.179 --> 00:49:48.859 I have not yet tried Nixvim. 00:49:49.479 --> 00:49:51.599 Wes, you know about it, but Brent, you know about it too. You both, 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.199 you guys have seen it, but don't use it? Like, come on. 00:49:54.359 --> 00:49:59.319 Well, during the TUI challenge, I, as you know, tried to dive into learning 00:49:59.319 --> 00:50:02.879 Vim and I decided, well, like these NeoVim people must know what they're doing, 00:50:02.899 --> 00:50:03.779 so I'm going to dive in there. 00:50:03.859 --> 00:50:06.999 Maybe they have some sane defaults and then immediately ran into, 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.499 oh yeah, I got to customize this thing. 00:50:09.419 --> 00:50:15.219 And so I did find Nixvim and I thought, it sounds amazing. like exactly the 00:50:15.219 --> 00:50:20.239 thing we want to get and would make this much easier if you happen to be on Nix OS. 00:50:20.819 --> 00:50:25.719 But then I spent about another 30 minutes deciding that I was just going down 00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:29.639 a massive rabbit hole and I was going to very quickly lose the TUI challenge 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.919 doing this. But I did put a little note. 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:34.799 I just choose to use a desktop OS that isn't so complicated. 00:50:34.799 --> 00:50:38.339 It needs its own Vim editor. That's all. So I don't have that problem. 00:50:39.219 --> 00:50:39.659 Interesting. 00:50:40.059 --> 00:50:43.599 Yeah, I'm trying to, I've so far avoided a complicated NeoVim setup. 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.679 I'm partially afraid of that exact reason, Brent. But yeah, I do think NyxVim 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:52.239 would be what I would use were I or to eventually go down that path. 00:50:52.459 --> 00:50:57.399 We did see a couple notes from listeners who were doing the Tui Challenge after 00:50:57.399 --> 00:51:01.299 our episode who also mentioned that NyxVim was a nice place to land. 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.159 Well, we received a row of ducks from a dude trying stuff. 00:51:07.579 --> 00:51:11.959 Howdy, y'all, from the big TX, medium-time listener, first-time booster. 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.119 Hey, thank you! 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.539 So, sort of some newbie questions about the show here. First one, 00:51:17.759 --> 00:51:19.819 why does Brent hate building computers? 00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:21.699 Do you hate building computers, Brent? 00:51:21.959 --> 00:51:26.159 I think there might be a little clip of me suggesting I might. 00:51:26.359 --> 00:51:28.259 I think you love building computers. Can we get that? 00:51:28.459 --> 00:51:31.099 Well, you know, you and I built a computer together this morning. 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:31.779 That's true, we did. 00:51:33.939 --> 00:51:39.979 And it was a computer, I have to admit, I tried to build previously and forgot 00:51:39.979 --> 00:51:42.439 that I needed to buy a hard drive and memory for it. 00:51:42.439 --> 00:51:49.019 So it's been sitting like literally on my tea station for the last four months, maybe. 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.619 Did you see the ending here? P.S. You all got me to watch baseballs. Oh, that's so great. 00:51:53.799 --> 00:51:55.159 The whole show is just for that. 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.500 So, thank you, by the way, for the first-time boost. Always appreciate that. 00:52:05.540 --> 00:52:09.600 There's a last question here if you want to see if you can answer it, Chris. 00:52:09.720 --> 00:52:10.800 I don't know if you know this one. Why don't we go through all of them? 00:52:11.160 --> 00:52:14.100 Why is Tuesday, why is it a Tuesday on a Sunday? 00:52:14.620 --> 00:52:19.900 So the show used to be on Tuesdays. And, you know, they used to end the show 00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:23.100 See You Next Tuesday. And I always liked that better than See You Next Sunday. 00:52:23.700 --> 00:52:27.220 So I just wanted to keep it. And so it's a Tuesday on a Sunday. 00:52:27.940 --> 00:52:29.320 I'm glad that you watch baseballs. 00:52:29.680 --> 00:52:35.600 If anyone else has any other questions on what the heck we're doing over here, please send them in. 00:52:35.740 --> 00:52:38.260 It can be a little weird at first, I suppose. Thank you for the boost. 00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:42.960 Nice to hear from you, a dude trying stuff. Podbun comes in with a row of ducks. 00:52:44.180 --> 00:52:47.740 I've moved to Linux Mint from Nix due to issues with NVIDIA drivers. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.500 I wanted to play games and it refused to work. I'm listening to episode 616 on June 27th. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.840 On the 27th, June shot. Oh, it's July now. Oh, my gosh. 00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:01.420 Yeah, episode 616 was From Boston to Bootsy. So that's our Boston episode. 00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:05.080 Doing a little time travel check-in. Thank you, Podbun. I always appreciate that. 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.780 I'm sorry to hear you had NVIDIA drivers, but if Linux has been solved before, 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:10.020 I suppose that's always a positive. 00:53:10.780 --> 00:53:14.500 It's frustrating when you go to play the game and the driver isn't working and 00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:17.420 you just want to play the game. I understand, Podbun. 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:22.860 Jordan Bravo boosts in with 4,444 sats. 00:53:25.060 --> 00:53:29.960 Pewdiepie just released a video about degoogling he's using arch graphene os 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.900 nextcloud self-hosting and more i don't normally watch his channel but it's 00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:37.880 great to see these topics get some more widespread exposure. 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.520 I agree i was i was uh you know going on about how they're late and where we 00:53:42.520 --> 00:53:45.480 were blah blah early like that made it sound negative i am actually really glad 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.120 that uh this is getting wider attention i actually kind of given up the on the 00:53:50.120 --> 00:53:51.460 idea that it would i agree. 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:56.100 Can i just say i think this solidifies one of my predictions from earlier in. 00:53:56.100 --> 00:53:59.720 The year i think you're probably right damn it i hate that i hate that too mr. 00:53:59.720 --> 00:54:04.600 Bravo goes on to say if a graphene project dies i would probably go with another 00:54:04.600 --> 00:54:09.440 privacy focused android such as calyx or maybe even a linux phone there's just 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.520 no way i could put up with the creepy surveillance of a stock android and unfortunately 00:54:13.520 --> 00:54:15.980 ios is just too restrictive for my liking. 00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:18.020 Yeah there's that i. 00:54:18.020 --> 00:54:19.100 Would agree with all of that. 00:54:19.100 --> 00:54:24.380 Yeah yeah that that app store control with apple is really a problem there was 00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:27.980 even just a slightly more complicated third-party way for me to distribute my 00:54:27.980 --> 00:54:33.040 own apps i'd feel a lot better yeah i agree i think yeah we should really give 00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:36.420 calyx a try graphene os goes away thank you jordan appreciate that. 00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:39.880 Well rotted mood boosted in 10 000 sats, 00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:49.580 This one's very simple. One character. Just an emoji of the Vulcan salute. 00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:54.940 Ha ha. Thank you for the value, Rotted Mood. And of course, hope you live long and prosper. 00:54:56.600 --> 00:54:59.600 Pickle Arts comes in with 4,444 sats. 00:55:01.900 --> 00:55:07.140 Listening to episode 615 right now, future check-in from A1A, Canada. 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:09.880 A1A. Do we have a map for that one? 00:55:10.020 --> 00:55:13.480 Do we have? Is that a... Also, thank you for the check-in. Thank you for the 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:14.760 time travel check-in. I appreciate that. 00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:14.880 Yes, it is. 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.260 Is that a map thing? Because I know you both have maps. Oh, my gosh. Look at... Oh, whoa! 00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:22.440 Wes, while you're trying to, you know, unfold that to the right sector, 00:55:22.640 --> 00:55:28.060 I think having an A1A postal code is like, you're at the top, right? 00:55:28.200 --> 00:55:32.060 You've got the very first postal code in the, like, at the top of the list. 00:55:32.140 --> 00:55:34.420 I think... I don't know where this is, but I think it's amazing. 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:35.160 That's where they started. 00:55:35.300 --> 00:55:35.820 I'm getting jealous. 00:55:36.060 --> 00:55:38.700 I'm a little jealous. Whoa, Wes, careful. 00:55:38.980 --> 00:55:40.100 Oh, the corner's sharp. 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.460 Yeah, I know. You guys went to Canada, but I've been investing in new maps, so hey, hey. 00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:44.860 Clearly. 00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:46.720 Is that a backroads map book? 00:55:46.820 --> 00:55:49.120 So where is he, Mr. Maps? 00:55:49.700 --> 00:55:56.980 Well, the Canadian postal code region A1A is located in Newfoundland, in Labrador. 00:55:57.620 --> 00:55:59.460 Specifically within St. John. 00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:00.200 Ah! 00:56:03.560 --> 00:56:06.880 Can I just say it's very strange that we start our postal codes from right to 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.540 left, it seems. Why is it way up in the right? Shouldn't it be up in the left? 00:56:10.780 --> 00:56:12.560 I've been asking this every day. 00:56:12.820 --> 00:56:14.060 We'll get the answer at some point. 00:56:14.060 --> 00:56:15.620 I don't know if we will i. 00:56:15.620 --> 00:56:17.740 Think i blend history i'm just gonna say that. 00:56:17.740 --> 00:56:23.580 I like that i like that all right well that's fun thank you and hey proper proper 00:56:23.580 --> 00:56:26.440 for this is canada day on the show so perfect and. 00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:30.080 Actually if you just say it a1a it's got canada all over it. 00:56:30.080 --> 00:56:35.140 A1a hey a1a hey a1a hey a1a all 00:56:35.140 --> 00:56:38.500 right all right we had our fun thank you picolars nice to hear from you. 00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:41.880 Marcel comes in with 5000 sets. 00:56:45.171 --> 00:56:45.751 Hey, Marcel. 00:56:46.091 --> 00:56:50.631 Oh, Marcel's following up. We asked folks to share their electronics projects, 00:56:50.931 --> 00:56:55.691 and Marcel shares github.com slash you'd better run. 00:56:55.891 --> 00:57:02.471 It's an ESP8266-based e-paper screen that shows me how much time I have to catch the bus. 00:57:02.651 --> 00:57:03.871 That sounds so useful. 00:57:04.331 --> 00:57:09.651 That's great. Another project is an autonomous robot I helped make for a robotics competition. 00:57:09.771 --> 00:57:15.931 It runs NixOS, by the way, and although it wasn't supposed to have ESPs, only some custom PCBs. 00:57:16.171 --> 00:57:19.971 We had to add one at the last minute because of some hardware problems. 00:57:19.971 --> 00:57:22.791 So we used the ESP to bridge USB to CAN bus. 00:57:23.171 --> 00:57:28.091 Well, really USB to UR to SBI to CAN. Wow, you are doing some things, 00:57:28.191 --> 00:57:29.531 Marcel. Thank you for writing in. 00:57:30.031 --> 00:57:33.591 That's so awesome. So the You Better Run thing is so great. He's got it in a 00:57:33.591 --> 00:57:36.451 picture frame and he's got the e-ink display inside the picture frame. 00:57:36.691 --> 00:57:40.031 And then it's just got the in-the-city and out-of-city different times at the 00:57:40.031 --> 00:57:45.911 different stops. It's simple and also very, very useful. That's an awesome use. 00:57:46.511 --> 00:57:49.891 Thank you, Marcel. We'll put those links in the show notes. That's too good. 00:57:50.111 --> 00:57:53.111 I love that it's elegant. I mean, it's like a minimal display, 00:57:53.231 --> 00:57:57.071 but with the picture frame, there's something artsy about it. Great. 00:57:57.731 --> 00:57:57.911 Yeah. 00:57:58.751 --> 00:58:04.771 Marcel also included a little YouTube link here of the Eurobot Germany finals 00:58:04.771 --> 00:58:07.251 first round where this thing is included. 00:58:07.931 --> 00:58:11.231 Marcel, when I met you, why didn't you mention any of this? This sounds right 00:58:11.231 --> 00:58:16.551 up our alley Thanks for sending it in Well Gene Bean boosted in a row of ducks, 00:58:18.174 --> 00:58:21.594 Stumbled across this tonight and thought it might fit into Linux Unplugged or 00:58:21.594 --> 00:58:23.054 maybe even that Twib show. 00:58:23.354 --> 00:58:26.934 Or maybe a little bit of both. The tech seems very Linux Unplugged, 00:58:27.054 --> 00:58:29.414 but Cashew sounds very Twib. 00:58:29.834 --> 00:58:34.694 They seem to have recently restored around Nostra 2, so Cashew may not be part 00:58:34.694 --> 00:58:36.974 of it any longer. I just can't tell. 00:58:37.114 --> 00:58:39.994 And he links us to a little GitHub here for Tollgate. 00:58:40.134 --> 00:58:45.074 Tollgate. You got to pay the toll to get on the Wi-Fi. It enables Wi-Fi routers 00:58:45.074 --> 00:58:48.754 to accept Bitcoin payments for internet access. It allows the users with a router 00:58:48.754 --> 00:58:51.254 and an internet connection to operate as an internet service provider. 00:58:51.874 --> 00:58:55.854 Hmm. They say one of the reasons mesh networks haven't been widely adopted is 00:58:55.854 --> 00:58:58.834 the infrastructure operators didn't have a simple permissionless way to transfer 00:58:58.834 --> 00:59:01.614 the operating cost of the infrastructure to users. 00:59:01.734 --> 00:59:05.554 But thanks to Bitcoin and eCash, Tollgate operators can transfer the cost of 00:59:05.554 --> 00:59:09.074 the internet gateway to users of the access point in a granular matter. 00:59:09.694 --> 00:59:13.434 So you kind of like stream sats. This is actually what you do. 00:59:13.694 --> 00:59:17.974 You stream sats while you use it. like a small amount, 200 sats a minute or 00:59:17.974 --> 00:59:21.174 something like that, while you use the Wi-Fi. 00:59:21.694 --> 00:59:26.014 Fascinating. And it's specifically designed for open WRT routers, 00:59:26.134 --> 00:59:27.814 so that's a pretty great building block. 00:59:28.034 --> 00:59:30.974 I would way rather use something like this than, you know, oh, 00:59:31.174 --> 00:59:36.494 spend $40 and you get 24 hours of Wi-Fi or something like that. I hate that in the hotel. 00:59:36.654 --> 00:59:38.854 So this is a really cool idea. Thanks, Tollgate. 00:59:39.534 --> 00:59:41.694 You've got to pay the toll to get on the Wi-Fi. Thanks, Gene Bean. 00:59:42.074 --> 00:59:45.334 Thank you, everybody, who boosted it. We didn't have an absolutely outrageous 00:59:45.334 --> 00:59:49.234 week this week, and we would love to try to see to get these numbers up a bit. 00:59:49.354 --> 00:59:56.974 We had 31 of you stream those sats as you listen, so your streamers collectively stacked 46,420 sats. 00:59:57.074 --> 01:00:00.494 Not too bad at all. Thank you, everybody, who just sats that thing on stream 01:00:00.494 --> 01:00:03.534 and lets them go as you listen to the podcast. It means a lot to us. 01:00:03.794 --> 01:00:06.894 And then, of course, when you combine that with our boosters, 01:00:07.294 --> 01:00:15.574 everybody who sent a message into the show, we stacked a grand total of 131,654 sats this week. 01:00:20.963 --> 01:00:24.783 If you haven't tried out Fountain FM yet, it is getting so great. 01:00:25.103 --> 01:00:28.343 They've really been working on that and making it a great package. 01:00:28.443 --> 01:00:31.463 And it makes it really simple to boost. Of course, you can keep your podcast 01:00:31.463 --> 01:00:34.803 app and you can boost with something like the Breeze app, which is a lightning 01:00:34.803 --> 01:00:38.083 node in your pocket. You can find that at B-R-E-E-Z. 01:00:38.603 --> 01:00:42.263 It's just the Breeze app. It's really simple. And again, thank you to our members 01:00:42.263 --> 01:00:44.683 who also support us. We really appreciate all of you. 01:00:46.503 --> 01:00:50.483 Now we got two picks before we wrap up our special Canada episode. 01:00:50.963 --> 01:00:55.263 And the first one you've been playing with this morning, and it's making some waves online. 01:00:55.683 --> 01:01:02.883 It's the Gemini command line, an open source AI agent that brings Google's Gemini AI to the terminal. 01:01:03.303 --> 01:01:04.903 What do you think of it so far, Wes? 01:01:05.223 --> 01:01:10.723 Okay, so the front end is Apache 2.0 licensed, so it is open source. 01:01:11.383 --> 01:01:15.583 Obviously, the back end is powered by Gemini, so that comes with all the usual caveats. 01:01:15.583 --> 01:01:18.503 But it's pretty slick and it's a perfect fit for this episode 01:01:18.503 --> 01:01:21.603 because out of the box it comes with themes 01:01:21.603 --> 01:01:24.463 and it looks really nice as a 2i interface 01:01:24.463 --> 01:01:27.523 i sent you a couple pictures they've got some on their github as well 01:01:27.523 --> 01:01:30.523 it's already in nix i'm sure it's in a bunch of other places 01:01:30.523 --> 01:01:34.063 otherwise you can have installation instructions as well and 01:01:34.063 --> 01:01:37.683 it makes it quite easy to get started interfacing with 01:01:37.683 --> 01:01:40.323 gemini and not only is it 01:01:40.323 --> 01:01:43.943 just like a chatbot interface right but it's an agent in the sense that it can 01:01:43.943 --> 01:01:47.583 access with your permission your local file system so i was able to have it 01:01:47.583 --> 01:01:52.183 quickly write me a script to tell brent a secret message it not only spit out 01:01:52.183 --> 01:01:55.583 the code for that right but it saved a file it made the file executable and 01:01:55.583 --> 01:01:59.583 then it even ran the file all from the same little tui interface and. 01:01:59.583 --> 01:02:03.763 It does it looks like it's it's built to run on omarchie like it just looks 01:02:03.763 --> 01:02:07.683 right at home with the theming and the terminal and all of that it's it's pretty great, 01:02:08.784 --> 01:02:10.424 it's neat to see it on the command line honestly. 01:02:10.424 --> 01:02:15.124 It doesn't feel like a it doesn't feel like a google product in a good way. 01:02:15.124 --> 01:02:17.884 Yeah you wouldn't even know it's it's worth it's a 01:02:17.884 --> 01:02:20.944 wild it's a wild future we live in all right and then not one 01:02:20.944 --> 01:02:26.324 but yes folks two picks this week and this one is sniffnet comfortably monitor 01:02:26.324 --> 01:02:30.024 your internet traffic you can say sniffnet is a technical tool but at the same 01:02:30.024 --> 01:02:33.764 time it strongly focuses on the overall user experience most of the network 01:02:33.764 --> 01:02:37.964 analyzers out but they're rather cumbersome to use where SniffNet's Cornerstone 01:02:37.964 --> 01:02:39.904 is to be usable and easy for everyone. 01:02:39.904 --> 01:02:43.664 It's Apache licensed and it is written in Rust. 01:02:43.944 --> 01:02:49.384 Yeah, boy, is it written in Rust. 98.7% Rust, according to GitHub here. 01:02:49.484 --> 01:02:51.224 I don't even know what toolkit it's using. 01:02:51.344 --> 01:02:55.504 It's kind of got a custom looking UI, but it has a very nicely developed UI. 01:02:55.924 --> 01:02:59.424 Yeah. Oh, and I guess it's available for Windows and Mac OS as well. 01:03:00.124 --> 01:03:03.084 You can choose a network adapter. You can set a set of filters. 01:03:03.584 --> 01:03:07.044 You can view overall statistics about your net traffic. You can have real-time 01:03:07.044 --> 01:03:10.104 charts about the intensity of the traffic generated. 01:03:10.364 --> 01:03:13.364 It's a great way to keep an eye on your network even when the thing's minimized. 01:03:13.904 --> 01:03:19.924 You can export and import PCAP reports. It identifies 6,000 upper-layer services, 01:03:20.124 --> 01:03:23.924 protocols, even Trojans and Worms. It just identifies them in the internet traffic. 01:03:24.324 --> 01:03:29.704 It really is a cool app. this is like the kind of tooling that, 01:03:29.724 --> 01:03:34.264 uh, I used to actually use professionally just to analyze and discover networks 01:03:34.264 --> 01:03:35.284 and kind of learn what they're about. 01:03:35.344 --> 01:03:39.084 And I think people should probably run these on their home network about once 01:03:39.084 --> 01:03:41.204 a year and just kind of see what's going on. 01:03:41.284 --> 01:03:44.584 I'm just noting Chris, that you're visiting here, the great white North and 01:03:44.584 --> 01:03:47.484 my wireless networks and such. 01:03:47.644 --> 01:03:50.924 And all of a sudden your pick is this sniffer. 01:03:50.944 --> 01:03:54.164 I couldn't, uh, couldn't, uh, I don't know why that came up. I just, uh, 01:03:55.150 --> 01:03:56.590 Your Wi-Fi working better today, though, right? 01:03:56.910 --> 01:03:59.410 Oh, it seems quite fast. Like double the speed I've seen previously. 01:03:59.690 --> 01:04:01.430 So you let me know if there's any other weirdness going on. 01:04:01.570 --> 01:04:03.590 Yeah, well, don't worry. It's all taken care of now. 01:04:03.850 --> 01:04:04.030 Thanks. 01:04:04.370 --> 01:04:07.270 Yeah, it's a nice little app. Of course, we'll link to it in the show notes 01:04:07.270 --> 01:04:09.490 at linuxonplugged.com slash 622. 01:04:10.610 --> 01:04:14.410 I'd be curious to know if anybody out there has actually tried the Gemini command line. 01:04:15.270 --> 01:04:19.550 Or if our audience is too afraid of it. Are you too afraid? Does it scare you 01:04:19.550 --> 01:04:21.090 because it's Google and it's AI? 01:04:21.710 --> 01:04:25.070 Or are you actually using it out there? or you like wes and you're just out 01:04:25.070 --> 01:04:26.750 there abusing it making it do horrible things i. 01:04:26.750 --> 01:04:28.970 Would love to know what he's done to this thing up to now. 01:04:28.970 --> 01:04:33.250 Yeah yeah i do like that you can have it just go and look at stuff and build 01:04:33.250 --> 01:04:36.850 and then i assume if it fails it figures out from there i mean it's pretty useful actually. 01:04:36.850 --> 01:04:39.890 Yeah and you can you know it can it can handle bigger code 01:04:39.890 --> 01:04:44.750 bases do things beyond gemini's already quite generous one million token context 01:04:44.750 --> 01:04:49.990 window it can you know you can feed it in sketches or pdf so like anything gemini 01:04:49.990 --> 01:04:54.490 can do you're unable to do on top of it just but like tied in more to your local 01:04:54.490 --> 01:04:59.790 file system and it can also talk to things like other mcp servers and stuff too useful. 01:04:59.790 --> 01:05:02.690 Let us know if you give omarchie a try you can 01:05:02.690 --> 01:05:07.810 find it at omarch y.org and we'd love to know what you think of the hyperland 01:05:07.810 --> 01:05:12.230 setup and all of that kick the tires get a blank arch install and run the script 01:05:12.230 --> 01:05:15.230 and give it a go you can try it in a vm i don't think you're going to get the 01:05:15.230 --> 01:05:20.330 same experience but it will run in a vm and report in boost in and let us know what you think of it. 01:05:21.470 --> 01:05:25.130 It's probably not going to be for most experienced Linux users because of some 01:05:25.130 --> 01:05:27.170 of the choices that have been made, but it's beautiful. 01:05:27.270 --> 01:05:29.750 There is a lot of great ideas in there. 01:05:30.350 --> 01:05:34.130 We would love, love, love to have you try it and report back to the show. 01:05:34.530 --> 01:05:35.930 Give it a try. Kick the tires. 01:05:36.430 --> 01:05:38.810 I think that's it from our Canada special show. 01:05:39.370 --> 01:05:40.830 Should we hit the hot tub next, Chris? 01:05:40.990 --> 01:05:42.770 Yeah, you got anything for us to eat before we hit the hot tub? 01:05:42.810 --> 01:05:44.370 You've got to have a snack before we get in the hot tub. 01:05:44.490 --> 01:05:46.710 We got moose steak sitting in the fridge waiting for us. 01:05:46.810 --> 01:05:51.210 Of course we do. We will be back in the studio next week, live at our regular 01:05:51.210 --> 01:05:53.330 time to make it a Tuesday on a Sunday. 01:05:57.190 --> 01:06:00.890 Of course, you can tune in at jblive.tv or jblive.fm. 01:06:00.970 --> 01:06:04.210 The time is at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash calendar, or it's posted early 01:06:04.210 --> 01:06:06.530 in a podcasting 2.0 app for you. 01:06:07.090 --> 01:06:09.530 We'd love it when you join us. We have that mumble room, that matrix, 01:06:09.690 --> 01:06:11.330 all of it. It gives it a real nice live vibe. 01:06:11.510 --> 01:06:14.990 And of course, you can catch the release version all cleaned up by editor Drew 01:06:14.990 --> 01:06:16.790 at linuxunplugged.com. 01:06:16.890 --> 01:06:20.610 We have the RSS feed posted there. And if you're a member, be sure you're checking 01:06:20.610 --> 01:06:25.370 out the bootleg or the ad-free version We've got a couple of extra special things just for you Alright, 01:06:25.590 --> 01:06:28.790 thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Unplugged program 01:06:28.790 --> 01:06:33.050 And we'll see you right back here next Tuesday As in Sunday!
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